• KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org
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    6 hours ago

    Losing one (lost one?) and so let’s move on and tackle an island we’ve been starving out for years now.

    What a president.

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      6 hours ago

      Alternative take: Trump got what he wanted in Greenland, so now he’s moving on to the next one in his bucket list.

      I’m guessing Iran probably went a bit worse than he imagined or I have no idea what the point was there.

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        59 minutes ago

        He didn’t get what he wanted in Greenland, he got something his people decided to spin as what he actually wanted, pretending it was some art of the deal bullshit all along and not him actually wanting something as stupid as taking over Greenland.

        He got what historically the US would have gotten just by asking. It was the US that reduced presence in Greenland in the first place, they were never kicked out.

        A “bit” worse than he imagined is an understatement. Iran is straightforward: a long standing problem in American foreign policy (indirectly caused by America in the first place) plus urging by Netanyahu. They had just proven to themselves that “fixing” Venezuela went way smoother than the naysayers were worried about and figured they could just do a quick killing spree and the regime would fall in line like Venezuela.

        Venezuela is the only “told you so” they have, that military intervention did get America’s goals in Venezuela seemingly advanced. The value of that effort remains to be proven, but the general shape went according to plan.

        So now they are thinking that Cuba might be a “told you so” scenario they could kick off to somewhat get the Iran in the background.

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          53 minutes ago

          Yeah, could be, but then again, Trump has publically stated several times that his negotiation tactic is to ask for lot more than he actually wants so he can then “settle” and get what he actually wanted.

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            31 minutes ago

            That’s like, a basic negotiating technique known by most for…ever? Except for Democrats, of course, they begin negotiations by conceding everything they actually want if you’ll just give them half of what they want.

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    6 hours ago

    Great, more incompetent MAGA wars. While we’re blowing all our money on that, China has health care, built a high speed tail system, and eliminated poverty.

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    16 hours ago

    To distract from the trumpstein child rape files, the shithead attacks Iran. To distract from how horridly the Iran thing is going, the pedo is going to attack cuba.

    The world can’t wait for the big great headline news article…

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      They are evil. Also, they know they are extremely unpopular right now so might as well go for broke. The Grand Old Pedophile party has been slow genociding the Cubans ever since they lost their tropical rape paradise.

      The Presidency has enriched itself by billions of dollars now, this amount of corruption no one could possibly fathom a couple of decades ago. I shudder to think of what they will do next after they have broken countless laws, violated the Constitution numerous times, and have dropped any pretense about being white nationalist thugs.

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        20 hours ago

        The democrats on the other hand have been so good for Cuba… Just expanded and made permanent the embargo that crippled Cuba since 1960.

        The oppression of Cubans for the glory of capitalism is bipartisan.

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          17 hours ago

          They have been complicit and have not fought for the Cuban people the way they should have. Criticism is deserved.

          I am not a fan of Obama, but he did normalize relations. I was not able to visit, but some of my friends were. They were very impressed with Cuba and its people.

          It is a disgusting that this administration is responsible for the the increased suffering of their people. It is in my opinion a crime against humanity. No wonder this administration is hates the ICC, they know they are criminals.

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            7 hours ago

            They have been complicit and have not fought for the Cuban people the way they should have. Criticism is deserved.

            They were not merely complicit; they actively supported policies that harmed the Cuban people.

            JFK dramatically strengthened the embargo and made it comprehensive. Decades later, Helms-Burton effectively locked much of that embargo into federal law through a bipartisan Congress:

            • Republicans: 230 yes, 5 no
            • Democrats: 106 yes, 80 no, 1 present
            • Independent: 0 yes, 1 no

            So yes, the degree of responsibility was different, but this was not simply a Republican policy. A majority of House Democrats voted to codify and entrench the embargo as well.

            I am not a fan of Obama, but he did normalize relations. I was not able to visit, but some of my friends were.

            Yeah, absolutely. Obama deserves real credit for reopening diplomatic relations and making travel and engagement much easier. It’s just that the underlying embargo still remained in place, largely because Helms-Burton had written so much of it into federal law. So Obama was working around a legal structure that Congress would have had to change to fully end the embargo, and I don’t know about you, but looking at the history of that law, I have no reason to believe democrats would have fell just short of a vote or two change it, and blame a DINO…

            It is a disgusting that this administration is responsible for the the increased suffering of their people.

            Totally. What Trump is doing is taking it to the next level, and the American people are letting him, because it doesn’t effect their day to day. Just like Palestine, Cuba was forgotten and left to suffer in silence until they could resist no more, and Trump being so stupid is at least putting Cuba back on the table. If only the average American would care.

            How many democrats have you heard speak up for Cuba in the last 40 years?

  • thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    Americans don’t care about war because it’s never been on their doorstep.

    Dude will actively fuck is his own leverage and sysop over his own citizens if this touches the US

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      as it wasnt really the deciding factor in '24 with gaza incident, dint really make a big impact as far votes go only was useful in michigan with the large muslim population. it was gas prices, eggs, domestic issues.

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    Latin and South America need a mutual defense pact against the biggest security risk in the world.

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      18 hours ago

      Trump is teaching the World you need to have nukes to be respected.

      And if South American nukes sound far-fetched, Brazil had a nuclear weapons program during its military dictatorship years. But willingly gave up on the program.

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        The trouble is that cartels are pretty ineffective at actually making things, they’re mostly only good at stealing things. So manufacturing weapons that are needed to fight the US feels impossible.

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          In a head on conflict, sure.

          But the cartel violence has generally been against civilians, so that wild be on the table.

          That said, they might not have the ideological commitment to incur the retribution. They may dislike such an offensive with the bad outcome for them, but they probably know revenge would be even worse.

          But either way, destabilization seems a high risk over unclear benefit.

  • SabinStargem@lemmy.today
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    15 hours ago

    Honestly, Cuba might make lemonade out of a lemon. The odds of America flubbing their invasion in the face of insurmountable resistance and leaving behind goodies during retreat isn’t impossible.

    Even a decade ago, this assertion would have been laughed at in disbelief. It still does, but now with self-denigration.

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    20 hours ago

    At this point in history, I do not really care about the communist revolution. Cuban people are heroes, regardless of governments as long as they are patriots. You can’t expect them to resist to this silent economic genocide over communism. Dignity can’t exist without people, but the USA will take not only communism, they will also take their independence. Those who will give away their sovereignty, those are not Cubans, not really.