you had to do one search to find most of what you’ve said is false
Underoccupied developments in China are mostly unoccupied newly built property developments in China, and frequently referred to as “ghost cities” or ghost towns. The phenomenon was claimed and recorded as early as 2009 by Al Jazeera’s Melissa Chan and subsequently reported by news media over the decades.[1][2][3][4] Although a feature of discourse on the Chinese economy and urbanization in China in the 2010s, many developments that were initially criticized as “ghost cities” in China have since become occupied and are now functioning cities.[5][6][7][8]
China’s government has set a goal to raise the nation’s urbanization rate to around 75% by 2035, which may require the construction of an estimated 40 to 50 million new housing units to accommodate this shift.[9] Some observers argue that China’s so-called “ghost cities” are better understood as ambitious urbanization projects built ahead of demand.
they don’t have “ghost cities” they have something called planned economy. in a planned economy the state plans to improve the lives of the proletariat. so essentially they are creating house for people to live instead of them being used for upping some numbers on a spreadsheet.
Most? I mentioned 4 things. You “debunked” one.
If they filled those cities, that’s great. It only took 20 years. And it’s certainly better than keeping people homeless.
Their construction still doesn’t have a great track record for longevity. A number of those skyscrapers have collapsed also. Who knows how many have died in them. We certainly don’t, because the Chinese government never gives out information like that. They constantly lie and obfuscate, even disappear whistle blowers. People live in fear of saying things they know the government won’t like.
How reliable is the census data for those cities? We don’t know.
This is, again, not true. You have a caricature of China in your head, not an accurate picture of China. People don’t live in fear, data is reliable. China has some of the best perceptions surrounding their country’s democracy in the world:
I’m sure we both have inaccurate views of life in China. You don’t sound like you’ve spent much time living their either. I’d assume we’re both quite wrong in many ways.
But generally, self reported data of people’s opinions isn’t all that reliable actually. What people say they think, is often different than what their actions reveal. There are numerous biases and motivations in answering these kinds of questions.
And in a single party state with a multi-generational history of violent suppression of critical voices? I’d expect the data is even less reliable.
I never said it wasn’t.
I’m sure it’s the most accurate data we have.
I’m just saying that survey data generally, be it about governments, or media streaming habits, aren’t all that accurate.
I don’t doubt that the Chinese public has an overall more favorable view of their government than the Americans, French, or Brits do of theirs. Those governments have been less effective at improving their peoples lives. Hell even I have a more favorable view of the Chinese government than both of my governments major parties. But that still doesn’t mean that everything in China is fantastic. They do have lots of deep rooted problems. Much like most nations and societies.
you had to do one search to find most of what you’ve said is false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoccupied_developments_in_China
they don’t have “ghost cities” they have something called planned economy. in a planned economy the state plans to improve the lives of the proletariat. so essentially they are creating house for people to live instead of them being used for upping some numbers on a spreadsheet.
Most? I mentioned 4 things. You “debunked” one.
If they filled those cities, that’s great. It only took 20 years. And it’s certainly better than keeping people homeless.
Their construction still doesn’t have a great track record for longevity. A number of those skyscrapers have collapsed also. Who knows how many have died in them. We certainly don’t, because the Chinese government never gives out information like that. They constantly lie and obfuscate, even disappear whistle blowers. People live in fear of saying things they know the government won’t like.
How reliable is the census data for those cities? We don’t know.
You are right, enemies of the US empire are not worthy enough to be trusted with their data.
That’s not what I said
This is, again, not true. You have a caricature of China in your head, not an accurate picture of China. People don’t live in fear, data is reliable. China has some of the best perceptions surrounding their country’s democracy in the world:
From NIRA data.
I’m sure we both have inaccurate views of life in China. You don’t sound like you’ve spent much time living their either. I’d assume we’re both quite wrong in many ways.
But generally, self reported data of people’s opinions isn’t all that reliable actually. What people say they think, is often different than what their actions reveal. There are numerous biases and motivations in answering these kinds of questions.
And in a single party state with a multi-generational history of violent suppression of critical voices? I’d expect the data is even less reliable.
Despite your gut feelings, the data is understood to be accurate.
I never said it wasn’t.
I’m sure it’s the most accurate data we have.
I’m just saying that survey data generally, be it about governments, or media streaming habits, aren’t all that accurate.
I don’t doubt that the Chinese public has an overall more favorable view of their government than the Americans, French, or Brits do of theirs. Those governments have been less effective at improving their peoples lives. Hell even I have a more favorable view of the Chinese government than both of my governments major parties. But that still doesn’t mean that everything in China is fantastic. They do have lots of deep rooted problems. Much like most nations and societies.