Seriously, there seems to be this delusion that we all just have magic buttons that execute our politicians on a whim. What the fuck do you expect us to do, specifically, to fix this?
You wrote exactly that delusion into your constitution. The only reason you still have guns after everybody else realised they were bad was so that you could use them to overthrow some mythical tyrannical government.
Now the tyrannical government is here. Use your guns you love so much. Overthrow it.
In pretty much every other western country, the populace could reasonably exert force over their national armed forces because those armed forces are reasonably sized. But the entire active duty military of Germany has fewer personnel than the on-base population of a single US military base (JBLM 210k, Germany 185k), and JBLM is only the 4th largest base in the US…
Not to mention, our military budget is more than the GDP of 85% of the countries in the world, and it’s only getting bigger. The proposed budget for next year is more than 90% of the world’s countries’ GDP. Think about that for a few minutes.
You say as if American soldiers aren’t also Americans. It’s not just up to civilians to partake in politics and the resistance of tyranny.
Coups happen all over the world, for various reasons. You’d think an openly genocidal regime headed by a fascist, paedophile, moronic traitor, actively making life worse for the majority and aiding their enemies. Shitting on the constitution, and making veiled threats to cancel elections, would be enough to instigate one, but I guess not.
The stereotype of American soldiers seems to hold up, all bark but no bite unless the opponent is clearly outmatched with bigger weapons.
By one estimate, there were 457 coup attempts from 1950 to 2010, half of which were successful.[3]
I’ll accept my share of the blame for not being an active insurgent against the US government as long as we’re also holding Russian and Chinese people to the same standard - failing to thwart genocide(s) by a powerful authoritarian regime while under 21st century surveillance and brutal working conditions. Sure I’m disappointed in all of us who aren’t part of a resistance, but let’s be realistic.
No, no, no…you’ve got it wrong. America is a perfectly representative democracy, so every American bears full responsibility for each and every transgression of it’s government or military. China and Russia are not, so only their governments and military are to blame, their citizens are blameless. Now, a more interesting question is how culpable are the rank and file citizens of Canada, Czechia, Albania, North Macedonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, whose governments support the USrael invasion? No doubt, the keyboard warriors will be along at any moment to shame them and demand they rise up against and replace their complicit governments.
Alright, let’s be realistic, a lot of competent high ranking officers are out of work since the purges of Trump. And a lot are still in work, that managed to survive the purges.
And when I say purges, I mean redundancies and firings. Not like Saddam Hussein, taken out back and met with a bullet or rope. But just given their military pension and told to fuck off.
I’m not expecting the average grunt to be able to do much. But an officer whose rank allows them the command of hundreds or thousands of people is capable of something.
There has been not even a murmuring of mutiny, resistance, or rebellion, let alone a coup. Some sailors stuffed t-shirts down their toilets, likely more in rebellion at being at sea far longer than they were meant to than anything else. But that’s about it.
Americans, until very very recently, have had freedoms and liberties that the Chinese and Russians have never enjoyed. Do you think Russian military courts are comparable to American? To compare them is disingenuous. Although in saying that, Xu Qinxian did refuse his orders at Tiannamen Square. He refused saying he’d rather be executed than be a criminal to history.
But there’s always an exceptionalism, an excuse, for why America is incapable of thwarting fascism. No matter how much I argue here, somebody will come along with another excuse, another reason for why Americans can’t do what other countries around the world have done over and over throughout history.
You say that but months ago when he was threatening to invade Canada, as a Canadian I thought “if I sneak up and kill just one of these invading fuckers before I gwt popped I will have done my duty” im just a regular guy but I feel that in my gut and I know A LOT of us do.
But you guys don’t have that sense of survival for some reason. You just shrug and go “I don’t wanna get a boo boo or miss project runway” you’re being invaded right now, your citizens are being murdered by federal invading forces and you are doing nothing but fighting among yourselves about who is the true leftist.
Mate, I imagine we’ve all thought that, but there’s a big gap between thinking it and doing it, and from where I’m sitting it appears you’re the exact kind of internet tough guy you’re speaking out against.
For me, it is more that I have a partner whom I love with every fiber of my being and a 5 yr old that is my whole universe. My family needs me.
It’s not so black and white as you make it. I work all the time to make sure we have money to barely get by.
I will say, if a “rebellion” starts and we actually have a working “army” I’d gladly be apart of it…
But just going out and starting shit? I’m sorry I can’t. I can spread the word, I can tell everyone about what’s going on and do my best to make sure the people in my town know what a monster he is.
Sometimes it feels like y’all think we Americans all live the same lives and have the same problems. That just not true. They have is hogtied and pinned down. How do I go and fight when fighting means my family will suffer?
That’s how I feel. I’ve got three small kids and a handicapped wife. Getting myself killed or arrested isn’t an option. When there’s a tipping point, I’ll be on the right side of it. If there’s a way to get to that tipping point faster, I’ll do that too. But sacrificing myself and my family just so I can tell some internet tough guys that political ideals were more important to me than my ethical ideals? That’s dumb.
“I want to make everything possible to stop this government- as long as it doesn’t make me involved in anything “
“I live too far from everything to do anything “
“Our politics doesn’t work that way, you don’t understand that”
“We are the land of free and all the guns and something “
If that’s mind boggling then you really need to read an actual history book.
Life for the avg America is FAR from problematic enough to have riots start yet. Even our worse off tend to have just enough care from other Americans to be upset but content. We are taking care of our down trodden just enough.
You need starvation, active destress, or wide spread unemployment.
We have food it’s just expensive.
We arnt in active physical danger.
We have just enough jobs that groups of people arnt massing together.
End of the day the very same message of help your fellow man, do good in your community and decades of social safety nets put into place. Are doing their job of allowing the American people to coast by happy enough.
If you want riots then you need to start making people physically miserable, scared and hungry.
You’re not wrong about the conditions that historically lead to unrest, material desperation, fear, and breakdown of basic stability tend to be the tipping points. The U.S. government isn’t there for most citizens, and that’s not accidental.
But what’s worth pointing out is that this “just stable enough” environment didn’t emerge naturally, it’s been actively managed over decades. And a strong case can be made that this is less about general governance and more about a long-term political strategy, particularly on the Republican side.
You’ve had a pattern where social safety nets are publicly criticized, underfunded, or slowly eroded but rarely eliminated outright. Why? Because removing them completely would create exactly the kind of instability you’re describing. Instead, they’re kept barely functional. Enough to prevent collapse, not enough to meaningfully improve mobility or reduce inequality.
At the same time, there’s been consistent resistance to policies that would shift people from “barely stable” to genuinely secure, things like stronger labor protections, universal healthcare, or aggressive wage growth. That keeps a large portion of the population economically stressed, but not desperate enough to unify or revolt. It fragments people using base animal instincts, keeps them focused on short-term survival, and limits collective action.
Add in cultural and political polarization, and it further diffuses pressure. People incorrectly channel frustration horizontally, at each other, instead of vertically at faceless institutions.
So yes, you’re right about the threshold for unrest. The uncomfortable part is recognizing that a lot of political strategy has been about keeping the country just below that threshold, stable enough to barely function, and strained enough to control.
It’s understandable that not everyone wants to riot for moral values and against mass corruption, but surely everyone can see that it’s just a matter of time before distress comes to the USA if nothing is done right now? It’s pretty naive to assume that your new enemies won’t hit back in some way, and most of the world just wants the US to become a meaningless country, since everyone is sick of the constant abuse of power and its negative effects on the world economy and stability.
To join riots right now is the least the American people can do. Throughout American history it was often needed for the many to fight the elite and that time has come again.
Didn’t Americans decide that dead kids in schools was an acceptable price for the right to own guns, specifically so you can overthrow your government when needed?
You guys aren’t even striking yet. You’re just gonna allow this to happen. You guys elected him again, after it became clear he was a paedophilic capitalist working for the elite. America is lost.
The gun fetishists who don’t care about dead kids are the ones who voted for Trump. The ones who give a shit amd don’t want to come within 10 feet of a gun didn’t vote for him.
I’m so tired of the EU people paroting this. It’s ALWAYS been the crazy MAGA who love God and guns. It’s ALWAYS Democrats pushing for regulation.
If a majority of the country voted for him, then how is the minority supposed to overthrow both the gun sickos and the government? Nepal’s riota only succeeded because all of their young population was in agreeance that their government was corrupt. I can’t even get former friends to get off their ass to vote. A riot only works if enough people are backing it.
We would get fucking swiss cheesed in literal seconds by a police department let alone the military. It’d be a suicide mission. And at the end of the day Trump would still be kicking it and making fucking posts about the protesters and MAGAs mixed dead bodies. I hate MAGA conservatives, but I don’t want to kill them because I can understand that at the end of the day the person in power has no fucking skin in the game. We can shoot ourselves bloody all day, but Trump and his croonies will live just fine.
The January capitol riot only ended in little rioter casualties because they were white men and the administration wanted it to happen. This current admin has been insane from day one and would gladly open fire on protesters.
And even if we did kill him, there’s still a chain of succession? We killing the VP and the entire cabinet too? Nevermind the MAGA nuts that would run jnto the streets and start killing any minority or democrat in sight? These sickos threatened to bomb HBCUs after watching Charlie Kirk get shot and he was literally killed by a fellow Republican nutjob. They don’t need a good reason to get angry. Furthermore, who says violent overthrow will guarantee a better government? If you gained enough power to overthrow a government, who says the next won’t abuse it too? And once again more blood spills of those who aren’t calling the shots.
I love being constantly told on this site to go be a suicide shooter. I love everyone assuming we’re gun nuts. I love everyone assuming we all wanted this. I voted, I protest, I contact my reps, I tell my friends to vote, I boycott, I do as much as I can. But if I’m not out there threatening to bomb the White House and kill all Republican representatives then it’s worthless.
Anyway, we have a national strike coming up on May 1st. Minnesota already had a strike in January.
Jesus tap dancing Christ, man… It’s an illusion to make people believe they’ll always have the power to stand up. It clearly works, considering you’re quoting it and blaming the average citizens fighting back and going unnoticed because you couldn’t find the time to realize they’re trying to barely scrape by themselves. Blame the leaders who have a face, not the average citizen who’s actually protesting. Not everyone can light themselves on fire in public protests to appease you.
It was always bullshit the joke used to be they would be helpless and guns useless against a corrupt government. And as we learned it was always projection they want to be the corrupt government.
Everyone’s to broke to travel and it takes 8 hours to drive across Nebraska
“we can’t do it in 24 hours, so we are not gonna do it at all” - that’s a new one
Funny (but not in a good way) reading all the different kinds of excuses Americunts come up with to justify their inaction when their officially elected corrupt fascist pedophile president threatens to wipe out an entire nation in a genocide.
I bet you also don’t have the time because you need to go to work, right? This one excuse was used quite often.
I’m curious how it is you know that Americans aren’t already talking and planning insurrection, since it likely takes weeks to months to plan out. You just know, I guess. If some disingenuous Eurocunts halfway across the world don’t see direct evidence of what would be necessarily hidden activities, well then…
It’s almost like the most egregious and non-sensical anti-American comments in here are indistinguishable from the world-class paid trolling efforts of a couple of major players we’ve all heard of.
As a side note, the usaian culture about work observed through internets is just… absolutely bonkers. Everyone is constantly complaining how terrible their jobs are, how they suck them dry emotionally, physically, financially - yet even if nukes were flying they’d probably still just meekly say they gotta go to work
Open to suggestions.
I don’t think any of y’all know how well protected this asshole is
Seriously, there seems to be this delusion that we all just have magic buttons that execute our politicians on a whim. What the fuck do you expect us to do, specifically, to fix this?
You wrote exactly that delusion into your constitution. The only reason you still have guns after everybody else realised they were bad was so that you could use them to overthrow some mythical tyrannical government.
Now the tyrannical government is here. Use your guns you love so much. Overthrow it.
Gather as a mob and attack until they are dead. Nothing less. That’s what I expect of you.
In pretty much every other western country, the populace could reasonably exert force over their national armed forces because those armed forces are reasonably sized. But the entire active duty military of Germany has fewer personnel than the on-base population of a single US military base (JBLM 210k, Germany 185k), and JBLM is only the 4th largest base in the US…
Not to mention, our military budget is more than the GDP of 85% of the countries in the world, and it’s only getting bigger. The proposed budget for next year is more than 90% of the world’s countries’ GDP. Think about that for a few minutes.
Dude the USA just de facto surrendered to Iran.
I don’t think those ludicrous amounts of money that corporations embezzle via the military is at all representative of it’s quality.
A military is only as good as its leaders, which means right now, ours is complete and utter shit, as we’re seeing.
You say as if American soldiers aren’t also Americans. It’s not just up to civilians to partake in politics and the resistance of tyranny.
Coups happen all over the world, for various reasons. You’d think an openly genocidal regime headed by a fascist, paedophile, moronic traitor, actively making life worse for the majority and aiding their enemies. Shitting on the constitution, and making veiled threats to cancel elections, would be enough to instigate one, but I guess not.
The stereotype of American soldiers seems to hold up, all bark but no bite unless the opponent is clearly outmatched with bigger weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état
I’ll accept my share of the blame for not being an active insurgent against the US government as long as we’re also holding Russian and Chinese people to the same standard - failing to thwart genocide(s) by a powerful authoritarian regime while under 21st century surveillance and brutal working conditions. Sure I’m disappointed in all of us who aren’t part of a resistance, but let’s be realistic.
No, no, no…you’ve got it wrong. America is a perfectly representative democracy, so every American bears full responsibility for each and every transgression of it’s government or military. China and Russia are not, so only their governments and military are to blame, their citizens are blameless. Now, a more interesting question is how culpable are the rank and file citizens of Canada, Czechia, Albania, North Macedonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, whose governments support the USrael invasion? No doubt, the keyboard warriors will be along at any moment to shame them and demand they rise up against and replace their complicit governments.
Alright, let’s be realistic, a lot of competent high ranking officers are out of work since the purges of Trump. And a lot are still in work, that managed to survive the purges.
And when I say purges, I mean redundancies and firings. Not like Saddam Hussein, taken out back and met with a bullet or rope. But just given their military pension and told to fuck off.
I’m not expecting the average grunt to be able to do much. But an officer whose rank allows them the command of hundreds or thousands of people is capable of something.
There has been not even a murmuring of mutiny, resistance, or rebellion, let alone a coup. Some sailors stuffed t-shirts down their toilets, likely more in rebellion at being at sea far longer than they were meant to than anything else. But that’s about it.
Americans, until very very recently, have had freedoms and liberties that the Chinese and Russians have never enjoyed. Do you think Russian military courts are comparable to American? To compare them is disingenuous. Although in saying that, Xu Qinxian did refuse his orders at Tiannamen Square. He refused saying he’d rather be executed than be a criminal to history.
But there’s always an exceptionalism, an excuse, for why America is incapable of thwarting fascism. No matter how much I argue here, somebody will come along with another excuse, another reason for why Americans can’t do what other countries around the world have done over and over throughout history.
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BraveBollocks.I’m going to be honest: you just sound ignorant and disconnected from the reality of the United States as a politically entity.
Exception and exceptional share a root word. They do not mean the same thing.
Exceptionalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
I’m well aware of the term. I’m telling you, you’re misapplying it in your argument.
You say that but months ago when he was threatening to invade Canada, as a Canadian I thought “if I sneak up and kill just one of these invading fuckers before I gwt popped I will have done my duty” im just a regular guy but I feel that in my gut and I know A LOT of us do.
But you guys don’t have that sense of survival for some reason. You just shrug and go “I don’t wanna get a boo boo or miss project runway” you’re being invaded right now, your citizens are being murdered by federal invading forces and you are doing nothing but fighting among yourselves about who is the true leftist.
Mate, I imagine we’ve all thought that, but there’s a big gap between thinking it and doing it, and from where I’m sitting it appears you’re the exact kind of internet tough guy you’re speaking out against.
For me, it is more that I have a partner whom I love with every fiber of my being and a 5 yr old that is my whole universe. My family needs me. It’s not so black and white as you make it. I work all the time to make sure we have money to barely get by.
I will say, if a “rebellion” starts and we actually have a working “army” I’d gladly be apart of it… But just going out and starting shit? I’m sorry I can’t. I can spread the word, I can tell everyone about what’s going on and do my best to make sure the people in my town know what a monster he is.
Sometimes it feels like y’all think we Americans all live the same lives and have the same problems. That just not true. They have is hogtied and pinned down. How do I go and fight when fighting means my family will suffer?
That’s how I feel. I’ve got three small kids and a handicapped wife. Getting myself killed or arrested isn’t an option. When there’s a tipping point, I’ll be on the right side of it. If there’s a way to get to that tipping point faster, I’ll do that too. But sacrificing myself and my family just so I can tell some internet tough guys that political ideals were more important to me than my ethical ideals? That’s dumb.
Sorry, where are you getting your news from?
Based on this topic, I’m quite certain that he primarily receives his news from his butthole.
Wow, you fantasized about killing someone? That basically makes you a war hero. You truly earned this: 🎖️
o7
oh, anything short of killing ourselves at the government will not be enough for the freaks on this website.
Yes. Do it.
Anything but site there on a keyboard fighting with other leftists about who is the true leftists
“I want to make everything possible to stop this government- as long as it doesn’t make me involved in anything “ “I live too far from everything to do anything “ “Our politics doesn’t work that way, you don’t understand that” “We are the land of free and all the guns and something “
It’s mind boggling to me there have been no riots by this point.
If that’s mind boggling then you really need to read an actual history book.
Life for the avg America is FAR from problematic enough to have riots start yet. Even our worse off tend to have just enough care from other Americans to be upset but content. We are taking care of our down trodden just enough.
You need starvation, active destress, or wide spread unemployment.
We have food it’s just expensive.
We arnt in active physical danger.
We have just enough jobs that groups of people arnt massing together.
End of the day the very same message of help your fellow man, do good in your community and decades of social safety nets put into place. Are doing their job of allowing the American people to coast by happy enough.
If you want riots then you need to start making people physically miserable, scared and hungry.
You’re not wrong about the conditions that historically lead to unrest, material desperation, fear, and breakdown of basic stability tend to be the tipping points. The U.S. government isn’t there for most citizens, and that’s not accidental.
But what’s worth pointing out is that this “just stable enough” environment didn’t emerge naturally, it’s been actively managed over decades. And a strong case can be made that this is less about general governance and more about a long-term political strategy, particularly on the Republican side.
You’ve had a pattern where social safety nets are publicly criticized, underfunded, or slowly eroded but rarely eliminated outright. Why? Because removing them completely would create exactly the kind of instability you’re describing. Instead, they’re kept barely functional. Enough to prevent collapse, not enough to meaningfully improve mobility or reduce inequality.
At the same time, there’s been consistent resistance to policies that would shift people from “barely stable” to genuinely secure, things like stronger labor protections, universal healthcare, or aggressive wage growth. That keeps a large portion of the population economically stressed, but not desperate enough to unify or revolt. It fragments people using base animal instincts, keeps them focused on short-term survival, and limits collective action.
Add in cultural and political polarization, and it further diffuses pressure. People incorrectly channel frustration horizontally, at each other, instead of vertically at faceless institutions.
So yes, you’re right about the threshold for unrest. The uncomfortable part is recognizing that a lot of political strategy has been about keeping the country just below that threshold, stable enough to barely function, and strained enough to control.
It’s understandable that not everyone wants to riot for moral values and against mass corruption, but surely everyone can see that it’s just a matter of time before distress comes to the USA if nothing is done right now? It’s pretty naive to assume that your new enemies won’t hit back in some way, and most of the world just wants the US to become a meaningless country, since everyone is sick of the constant abuse of power and its negative effects on the world economy and stability. To join riots right now is the least the American people can do. Throughout American history it was often needed for the many to fight the elite and that time has come again.
You arent in percieved active physical danger.
If trump launches a nuke boy that sure will change lickity split tho
Wait for the military draft and the fucking MAGAts will be the first ones to cry.
Didn’t Americans decide that dead kids in schools was an acceptable price for the right to own guns, specifically so you can overthrow your government when needed?
You guys aren’t even striking yet. You’re just gonna allow this to happen. You guys elected him again, after it became clear he was a paedophilic capitalist working for the elite. America is lost.
The gun fetishists who don’t care about dead kids are the ones who voted for Trump. The ones who give a shit amd don’t want to come within 10 feet of a gun didn’t vote for him.
I’m so tired of the EU people paroting this. It’s ALWAYS been the crazy MAGA who love God and guns. It’s ALWAYS Democrats pushing for regulation.
If a majority of the country voted for him, then how is the minority supposed to overthrow both the gun sickos and the government? Nepal’s riota only succeeded because all of their young population was in agreeance that their government was corrupt. I can’t even get former friends to get off their ass to vote. A riot only works if enough people are backing it.
We would get fucking swiss cheesed in literal seconds by a police department let alone the military. It’d be a suicide mission. And at the end of the day Trump would still be kicking it and making fucking posts about the protesters and MAGAs mixed dead bodies. I hate MAGA conservatives, but I don’t want to kill them because I can understand that at the end of the day the person in power has no fucking skin in the game. We can shoot ourselves bloody all day, but Trump and his croonies will live just fine.
The January capitol riot only ended in little rioter casualties because they were white men and the administration wanted it to happen. This current admin has been insane from day one and would gladly open fire on protesters.
And even if we did kill him, there’s still a chain of succession? We killing the VP and the entire cabinet too? Nevermind the MAGA nuts that would run jnto the streets and start killing any minority or democrat in sight? These sickos threatened to bomb HBCUs after watching Charlie Kirk get shot and he was literally killed by a fellow Republican nutjob. They don’t need a good reason to get angry. Furthermore, who says violent overthrow will guarantee a better government? If you gained enough power to overthrow a government, who says the next won’t abuse it too? And once again more blood spills of those who aren’t calling the shots.
I love being constantly told on this site to go be a suicide shooter. I love everyone assuming we’re gun nuts. I love everyone assuming we all wanted this. I voted, I protest, I contact my reps, I tell my friends to vote, I boycott, I do as much as I can. But if I’m not out there threatening to bomb the White House and kill all Republican representatives then it’s worthless.
Anyway, we have a national strike coming up on May 1st. Minnesota already had a strike in January.
Simultaneous angry mobs outside the white house and mar-a-lago could be nice. I would come out from California to join that.
Work together with independents and disenfranchised republicans to primary 75+% of the democratic party over the next 4 years.
The GOP and the DNC are the sword and shield of the wealthy elites respectively.
Not a short term solution, but the best time to plant a tree is 10 years ago. 2nd best time is today.
Who supports him?
Who supports them?
I think the application of pressure goes where its possible to apply it, instead of where it isn’t.
Go find the richest person in your local city.
You have one, they exist. Probably several in the same area.
Make it their problem.
especially since the whoopsie that one time
Then what was the point of all that 2nd amendment talk? Was it all bullshit cause you wanted to keep your pow pow?
Guns and no balls, Thats what’s so dangerous about the regular American.
Like I said elsewhere, your country was won by fat farmers and regular people who grew balls.
Jesus tap dancing Christ, man… It’s an illusion to make people believe they’ll always have the power to stand up. It clearly works, considering you’re quoting it and blaming the average citizens fighting back and going unnoticed because you couldn’t find the time to realize they’re trying to barely scrape by themselves. Blame the leaders who have a face, not the average citizen who’s actually protesting. Not everyone can light themselves on fire in public protests to appease you.
It was always bullshit the joke used to be they would be helpless and guns useless against a corrupt government. And as we learned it was always projection they want to be the corrupt government.
Everyone’s to broke to travel and it takes 8 hours to drive across Nebraska
Insurrection?
Can you plan and execute an insurrection in less than 24 hours?
Most people couldn’t even get to DC with less than a weeks notice.
“we can’t do it in 24 hours, so we are not gonna do it at all” - that’s a new one
Funny (but not in a good way) reading all the different kinds of excuses Americunts come up with to justify their inaction when their officially elected corrupt fascist pedophile president threatens to wipe out an entire nation in a genocide.
I bet you also don’t have the time because you need to go to work, right? This one excuse was used quite often.
I’m curious how it is you know that Americans aren’t already talking and planning insurrection, since it likely takes weeks to months to plan out. You just know, I guess. If some disingenuous Eurocunts halfway across the world don’t see direct evidence of what would be necessarily hidden activities, well then…
It’s almost like the most egregious and non-sensical anti-American comments in here are indistinguishable from the world-class paid trolling efforts of a couple of major players we’ve all heard of.
As a side note, the usaian culture about work observed through internets is just… absolutely bonkers. Everyone is constantly complaining how terrible their jobs are, how they suck them dry emotionally, physically, financially - yet even if nukes were flying they’d probably still just meekly say they gotta go to work