• Pennomi@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    I don’t think there’s any actual evidence here. It’s pure speculation.

    Besides, why would they need a cover for an operation to seize uranium if the whole publicly-stated point of the war was to stop their nuclear program?

    Nah, Occam’s Razor points at this just being a good ol’ fuckup of colossal proportions.

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      17 hours ago

      Given how far they were from the crash site, it seems very implausible that it was a rescue operation. The pilot would’ve had to walk 172 km in a single day to get to the location from crash site and other pilot. And the video of the jet getting shot down clearly shows they both ejected at the same time.

      The two points on that Google Maps screenshot show the crash site of the downed F-15E in central Iran (lower black circle) and the location where the second crew member (weapons systems officer) was supposedly rescued by U.S. special forces (upper red pin near Shahrekord).

      It might not have been an attempt to seize uranium, although given where they were that seems likely, but it clearly wasn’t about the pilot. The reason why they’d make it up seems pretty simple. At first, they probably thought they’d use it as misdirection, and then when the whole thing ended up being a debacle, they tried to spin it as a successful rescue. If they managed to achieve whatever it is they were trying then they could tell a story of how they brilliantly tricked the Iranians.

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        I think it was for the uranium. Not just because of the distance to the pilot (because they claim that they used it as a “ground refueling base”) but because of all directions possible, they landed close to the nuclear site.

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      18 hours ago

      Yes, specifically a colossal fuckup in attempting to exfiltrate enriched uranium.

      It’s Official: US Boots-On-Ground Deep Inside Iran Amidst Another Day of Humiliating Losses

      The geolocated wreckage of the C-130s which were apparently using a local “agricultural airstrip” (32.223369, 51.897678) just happens to be right over a mountain, about 35km away, from Isfahan’s nuclear facility, where Iran’s ‘near-weapons grade’ enriched uranium is alleged to be stored.

      In an article just last month, [Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency] Rafael Grossi stated the following:

      Almost half of ‌Iran’s uranium enriched to up to 60% purity, a short step from weapons-grade, was stored in a tunnel complex at Isfahan and is probably still there, U.N. nuclear watchdog chief Rafael Grossi said on Monday.

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      And all the responses doubling down on the unsubstantiated claims.

      What’s the source on that image showing the crash site and where the airman was recovered? Don’t think would be shared publicly unless someone leaked (wouldn’t surprise me). But in that case why wouldn’t someone blow the lid on the whole thing? If there’s one thing this clown show of an admin is bad at it’s keeping secrets.

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    18 hours ago

    Reporter: [REDACTED]
    Reason: Rule 1. Substack blog, not an actual news source.

    Another visitor from Lundistan 🤷

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      18 hours ago

      Look the only people who are allowed to have opinions are propagandists working for mainstream western media. Everybody else better just shut up and listen to them.

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    Nothing the US says about the war should be taken at face value, but this is just someone speculating on a blog. And since this is the second time I’ve seen theory conspiracy today I’m going to guess it’s whats circulating online. Is it possible? Sure. “Hundreds” of special operations (as reported in actual media outlets) is a lot to send after one guy, and the mission profile is similar to what’s been described would be needed to retrieve nuclear material. But…it’s still just speculation without any new info to back it up.

    At least this guy kind of acknowledges that the Iranians shouldn’t be taken at their word either. Too many terminally online folks with an anti-US/anti-west boner take anything that aligns with their bias without question.

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      This “argument” of yours is what imperialist apologizers like you use to try to invalidate people when they’re talking about an obvious CIA op simply because media isn’t covering because they’re obviously bought and this is classified information. We can theorize all we want given the current data you know? If you want to call it a conspiracy until some Western mouth piece tells you it’s true go ahead.

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        No no no we have a boner for this and we’re wrong, we’ve been beaten fair and square /j

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      13 hours ago

      You don’t know what a conspiracy actually is, don’t you?

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    Yeah, that’s real criminal state behaviour “we was pretending there was a pilot here to come in and steal your shit”.

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      18 hours ago

      Just like when Mossad agents broke into a warehouse and stole hundreds of thousands of documents about Iran’s nuclear program? Then the US and Israel used the information therein as an excuse to back out of the Iran Nuclear Deal, even though it didn’t reveal anything meaningful that they didn’t already know?

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    Either way, it appears the US lost multiple aircraft—and this is a massive humiliation for Trump. They have tried to dress up these losses by saying it was a worthwhile price to pay to rescue the crew, but we are talking about a country that doesn’t give its people healthcare—they can spare me the pretence about valuing human life.

    Obviously, I’m sceptical that a rescue mission was the real goal. I think spec ops teams were sent to gather intelligence on Iranian defences, suppress nearby threats, and/or destroy military infrastructure. While the fog of war means we cannot be confident about what took place, I feel my explanation makes more sense than the official one. What do you think?

    I don’t know, but it’s more plausible than what US administration are peddling.