President Donald Trump has signed an executive order that aims to tighten voting rules by creating a national list of eligible voters and limiting mail ballots.
Sure, I don’t disagree with that and I probably would have voted if I were in the US. At some point, though, it’s not the fault of people who refuse to vote for the controlled opposition. They’re sick of the cycle, sick of this “strategic” voting crap, and sick of lending their voices to the validation of major human rights violations. I really cannot blame them for their decision.
The US clinging to false, centrist comfort instead of doing the uncomfortable thing to get shit done is a big reason why they’re in this mess.
The US is a fascist country with the only opposition being “centrism”. Centrism is a relativistic political ideology which really only exists to provide an incredibly weak alternative to conservatism that doesn’t immediately scare voters with things like actually doing anything different and of value.
the us has been allowed to become more facist by folks ok with it. either actively or passively. conservatism is fine if we are talking teddy roosevelt and other pre nixon when its true to its ideals. its not conservative vs liberal its facist vs democracy.
Do you understand where conservatism came from? Are you familiar with what it’s trying to conserve? It’s cultural stagnation in favour of the privileged class with an economic approach to match.
i gave you historical figures. like most philosphies it has some merit but does not work in total. I mean like even communism has good points. you see this with all philosophies which is why balancing them is what makes a good society or in another word centerism that is properly balanced.
Centrism is not “balanced”, though, it is just a political ideology that can’t commit. The left says people need to have equal rights, the right says society needs to be segregated in one form or another, and the centre comes along and says “what if we just took away some rights?”
This, of course, generally leads to them spending all the momey the left would but on terrible investments. In most places on the planet “the left” isn’t that extreme if you look at them from an objective point of view, they just get treated as extreme because the right goes off the deep end and the center is there saying “our position is reasonable and therefore anything else must be extreme!” while completely ignoring the fact that almost all centrism is simply right-wing economic policy without as much of the overt homophobia and racism. I have to say overtly, ecause of course actually helping minority groups would constitute an extreme action so im most cases they just don’t do anything and call it a win.
There’s a reason MLK said that the greatest enemy to black people is the white moderate. There’s a reason Canada is struggling under the Liberal party. There’s a reason so many places are just slowly descending into fascism as their governments do very little to stop it because of a naive sense of decorum and a strong unwillingness to ever admit that maybe holding the line isn’t working anymore.
yeh by your definition. its easy to make everything bad by ones definition. I certainly do not agree with many things that have happened but the idea that I don’t want a balanced society and going to throw around center and moderate like its the enemy to fight. I can see the enemy and I know which way is up. Im not looking to fight with any of the poor or heck ven kinda wealthy folk because its extreme wealth that has us fighting each other. That MLK quote was essentially a call to revolution but I find a lot of people like to call for revolution but not so much start doing it themselves. More importantly though it was about fixing the problems of today today. Like removing the current facist or making sure the party and ideology aren’t even an option so that we can successfully make some real progress rather than allowing and applauding regression.
If you want a balanced society, first you have to fully grasp what that means. Political ideologies are not unchangeable like race or sexual orientation, you can literally just go “oh, this position isn’t serving me anymore” or “this party has changed and moved away from representing my principles” and you can do it whenever.
Being a “moderate”, especially if you’re in a place where true support of the working class has evaporated and the right has gone full fascist is such a silly thing. All it does is scream that the only thing you care about is being between two things, not that you’ve actually thought about if either of those two things have become invalid as a point of reference. In the US and Canada the overtly right-wing parties have shifted so far to the right as to not be even remotely valid and the center has, because it has no values to keep it in place, moved to fill the conservative gap.
In what way? “Just give in to the endless cycle of the right getting worse and the center-right doing nothing to fix it” is your plan for a better tomorrow? Sure thing bud, that’ll definitely work this time!
You haven’t explained it your position, you’ve just called the guy who votes strictly progressive a fascist which is, frankly, absurd.
But sure, keep telling everyone that the solution is to keep enabling the ratchet effect, that’s totally not going to help the far-right. You got this, champ.
Sure, I don’t disagree with that and I probably would have voted if I were in the US. At some point, though, it’s not the fault of people who refuse to vote for the controlled opposition. They’re sick of the cycle, sick of this “strategic” voting crap, and sick of lending their voices to the validation of major human rights violations. I really cannot blame them for their decision.
The US clinging to false, centrist comfort instead of doing the uncomfortable thing to get shit done is a big reason why they’re in this mess.
if america was centerist that would be great but its not where we are at. The anti centerist prefer extreme right.
The US is a fascist country with the only opposition being “centrism”. Centrism is a relativistic political ideology which really only exists to provide an incredibly weak alternative to conservatism that doesn’t immediately scare voters with things like actually doing anything different and of value.
the us has been allowed to become more facist by folks ok with it. either actively or passively. conservatism is fine if we are talking teddy roosevelt and other pre nixon when its true to its ideals. its not conservative vs liberal its facist vs democracy.
Do you understand where conservatism came from? Are you familiar with what it’s trying to conserve? It’s cultural stagnation in favour of the privileged class with an economic approach to match.
i gave you historical figures. like most philosphies it has some merit but does not work in total. I mean like even communism has good points. you see this with all philosophies which is why balancing them is what makes a good society or in another word centerism that is properly balanced.
Centrism is not “balanced”, though, it is just a political ideology that can’t commit. The left says people need to have equal rights, the right says society needs to be segregated in one form or another, and the centre comes along and says “what if we just took away some rights?”
This, of course, generally leads to them spending all the momey the left would but on terrible investments. In most places on the planet “the left” isn’t that extreme if you look at them from an objective point of view, they just get treated as extreme because the right goes off the deep end and the center is there saying “our position is reasonable and therefore anything else must be extreme!” while completely ignoring the fact that almost all centrism is simply right-wing economic policy without as much of the overt homophobia and racism. I have to say overtly, ecause of course actually helping minority groups would constitute an extreme action so im most cases they just don’t do anything and call it a win.
There’s a reason MLK said that the greatest enemy to black people is the white moderate. There’s a reason Canada is struggling under the Liberal party. There’s a reason so many places are just slowly descending into fascism as their governments do very little to stop it because of a naive sense of decorum and a strong unwillingness to ever admit that maybe holding the line isn’t working anymore.
yeh by your definition. its easy to make everything bad by ones definition. I certainly do not agree with many things that have happened but the idea that I don’t want a balanced society and going to throw around center and moderate like its the enemy to fight. I can see the enemy and I know which way is up. Im not looking to fight with any of the poor or heck ven kinda wealthy folk because its extreme wealth that has us fighting each other. That MLK quote was essentially a call to revolution but I find a lot of people like to call for revolution but not so much start doing it themselves. More importantly though it was about fixing the problems of today today. Like removing the current facist or making sure the party and ideology aren’t even an option so that we can successfully make some real progress rather than allowing and applauding regression.
If you want a balanced society, first you have to fully grasp what that means. Political ideologies are not unchangeable like race or sexual orientation, you can literally just go “oh, this position isn’t serving me anymore” or “this party has changed and moved away from representing my principles” and you can do it whenever.
Being a “moderate”, especially if you’re in a place where true support of the working class has evaporated and the right has gone full fascist is such a silly thing. All it does is scream that the only thing you care about is being between two things, not that you’ve actually thought about if either of those two things have become invalid as a point of reference. In the US and Canada the overtly right-wing parties have shifted so far to the right as to not be even remotely valid and the center has, because it has no values to keep it in place, moved to fill the conservative gap.
“Balanced”. Sure thing, champ.
There you go running propaganda for fascists again.
This guy fucking loves telling people fighting for democracy that there is no hope. Just like any good fascist propagandist.
Fuck outta here.
In what way? “Just give in to the endless cycle of the right getting worse and the center-right doing nothing to fix it” is your plan for a better tomorrow? Sure thing bud, that’ll definitely work this time!
Yep. Obvious fascist propagandist is obvious.
Go ahead and get the last word. You know you need it. Like Steven Miller about to pop a blood vessel in hisnforehead. You need it. Fascist.
You haven’t explained it your position, you’ve just called the guy who votes strictly progressive a fascist which is, frankly, absurd.
But sure, keep telling everyone that the solution is to keep enabling the ratchet effect, that’s totally not going to help the far-right. You got this, champ.