President Donald Trump has warned the U.K. and France that the “U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore,” as he vented his frustration over the close allies’ refusal to join military action against Iran.
The word “allies” means people who work together for a common goal. When Trump made up his own goals (e.g., tariffs, wars), he got rid of those. So there’s nothing to ally around.
it would be good to see him get impressed or politically neutered or both or other things
I mean that’s what he wanted all along, so…
I find it helpful to picture Zoidberg whenever Trump opens his mouth.
They never were. We were there for them though. There’s only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 “an attack against one is an attack against all”: the US after 9/11. And the rest came to their aid.
Really? Let’s check that:
The decision to invoke NATO’s collective self-defense provisions was undertaken at NATO’s own initiative, without a request by the United States, and occurred despite the hesitation of Germany, Belgium, Norway, and the Netherlands.
Two small military operations were ultimately authorized under the terms of the resolutions: Operation Eagle Assist, consisting of the deployment of several aircraft to North America; and, Operation Active Endeavour, a mostly symbolic naval deployment in the Mediterranean Sea. The United States, which was skeptical of NATO capabilities, elected not to seek further Article 5 support and the alliance did not participate in the ensuing American invasion of Afghanistan, though some individual members did make contributions outside of the NATO command structure.
Is the US not there or is Trump not there? He’s pretty old and not that healthy. Sooner or later someone more pragmatic will be in the chair.
The president still has to be american. So how much better can it really get?
They never were. For decades the US has only been in NATO for it’s own enrichment and it’s own defence. The ballistic early warning radar that the US have in the UK aren’t of any use to us, flight times from Russia are so short that we’d not be able to react. But they do give the US a significant amount of time to be warned of inbound nukes and to do something about it for them.
At least we have time to react when Trump sends the nukes. :)
I thought America had the greatest army in the world and didn’t want out help anyway
Also, from what he’s said previously, apparently we already won the war?
When has America actually helped anyone since WW2? Korea? Kuwait? Everything else was dubious, at best; often crimes against humanity levels of imperialism, corruption, and war crimes.
Most of the cold war was so tense and dangerous because they considered everything other than capitalism — regardless of any populations democratic will and self-determination — an existential threat that warrants warfare and mass murder.
I think the cold war was less about ideology about economic systems and more about alignment with the Soviet Union.
There was plenty of eurocommunism and social democracy in Europe that wasn’t commented on by the US. Relations with the PRC were normalized in the 1970s after the 1961 sino-soviet split.
Technically we were trying to help out France with the Vietnam war
Yeah and the war is already over but they need help with the current main objective of the war opening the straits to pedophile run countries that was open before the war started if I’m tracking things right
Pete’s Warriors just need a little bit of help. Warriors ask for help don’t they?
Wow, grape army.
Draft dodging pedophile says what?
Oh no ! Anyway.
The fool doesn’t understand that any “joint military action” will trigger WW3
Pretty sure that’s the intent of whoever is telling Trump what to do.
then THAT “whoever” is a fool. A world war is pretty much the end of the gravy train. They’re dumb if they think they will come out on top.
You seem pretty confident in that despite the fact that large scale wars have made the current players in this war rich and powerful in the first place.
Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers. Hell, it’s the only reason Israel even exists.
Wars exist because they benefit the ruling class.
Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers.
The US and Russia emerged as superpowers because 99% of the fighting wasn’t on their land. They didn’t have to rebuild.
You are correct about the US, but including Russia makes you sound like a moron.
Why? Because you think there’s enough difference between the USSR and Russia to differentiate between them? The only major difference is that half the continent is no longer under Russian rule. Russia is USSR light. Same shit different day, regardless of what they want to claim about communism/capitalism/oligarchs/etc. It’s the rich fucks running everything and killing or “disappearing” anyone critical of the regime.
So what I am hearing if they you don’t care that your statement is factually incorrect. Neat.
You seem pretty confident in that
if you ask me to gamble on starting of a nuclear war vs. it not happening… I wouldn’t risk it.
Look at the outcomes of WWII
I did look at the outcomes. It was quite a different set of circumstances.
- Most of the world did not have Nuclear Missiles.
- We didn’t have Social Media to the extent to allow a small group of people to spread FUD so easily.
- We didn’t have global mega-corps manipulating the fabric of society with impunity. The average CEO is out of touch with workers and only thinks ahead 3 months. There is a lot of arrogance and ignorance about concepts beyond one’s understanding.
- Making Money/Having Clout is the only metric of success.
- Human induced climate change is messing with the ecological system and making it difficult to rely on crops. It will hit hard especially when we are not paying attention due to pointless wars.
- There is a fucking betting market for if a child gets bombed to bits in some part of the world, and a pedophile and his cabinet seem to be doing insider trading on it.
- Every fucker is a racist or facist or adjacent. Empathy has taken a permanent sabbatical.
Wars exist to benefit the ruling class. But if all of the ruling class dies it’s fucking stupid.
Not if the hyper rich all go hide in their bunkers and underground cities
Hell, it’s the only reason Israel even exists.
This is an understandably common view, but it’s not true. The only fundamental change WWII brought to Palestine was weakening the British Empire; Zionists, partially due to British support, were by far the ascendant group in Palestine as early as 1939, so Israel was going to appear as soon as the British left Palestine. Zionist wealth and diplomacy, Arab weakness and division, Western colonial ambitions and British colonial policy made something resembling the current situation inevitable with or without WWII.
Does anyone remember when Zionists bombed a ship full of Jewish refugees in 1940 (SS Patria Disaster) and Palestinians helped save victims from the water and then many were forced out of their homes 8 years later by Zionists?
Why would you leave out why they ‘bombed the ship’?
You need to understand that there is a real faction within the already heinous Nationalist Christians that are even more truly batshit insane than their already crazy baseline, who are genuinely doing their level best to bring about the biblical end times - which, of course just means a nuclear holocaust for everyone. This is not hyperbole. There are people who are actually pushing for that outcome who are part of our regime right now.
I would love to see the day their faces realize they are going to jail as the handcuffs click
I want to believe
They want the world to end, so Jesus will come.
That’s utterly delusional. And it’s a shame on sane people like me who allowed such morons to change the destiny of the world.
Us
Speak for yourself. I refuse to advocate for any kind of war. Especially one full of ego and pettiness.
This is a joke. This is the context. I’m mocking the idea that Miller/Hegseth is looking at ww2 and saying “but we can do it”
The moment anyone else moves to assist he will simply bail out and walk away. He was actually dumb enough to say that out loud too. It would be strategically stupid and politically suicidal for anyone else to get involved.
Okay, great, let us know if you need a hand dismantling U.S. bases in Europe
Or like in Afghanistan, just leave everything behind and gtfo.
I thought he didn’t need help? Never shuts up about how much he’s winning.
Oh no! Anyways……
Trump speed running making the US irrelevant again.
