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Nah, I definitely have ADHD because otherwise my amphetamines wouldn’t be acting as a sleep aid.
This is my daily as I struggle to find a medication that does ANYTHING for me. Maybe it’s just all me.
Something like ADHD is notably difficult to diagnose because its symptom behaviors are things that other people also experience, just less frequently or severely. Everyone has limited executive function, spaces out, forgets things, becomes restless, procrastinates, etc. to some degree. So it’s difficult to notice the point where it crosses the threshold of interfering with a healthy life.
It is entirely reasonable to wonder if you’ve been misdiagnosed as having it, just like a neurotypical person may wonder if they have ADHD from normal experiences. It’s not like we have another life to compare ours to.
Me every time I have a day when I actually get shit done.
Maybe it’s the mix of autism and ADHD but I don’t relate to not doing tasks or delaying them. I have to do them now and then, likely the OCD taking over
Are you sure?
I mean my ADHD has me constantly doing things. But it doesn’t mean those things are in a logical priority.
Need to get that project done for work by tomorrow?
Sure, why don’t I start with the laundry, and then the dishes so that I “don’t have any distractions” and ooh that dishwasher is filthy, and… Had that lightbulb always been broken? I better go to the store to get a replacement. Ugh and now I’m so hungry, better cook dinner. What better time to learn a new recipe…
My entire life is that scene from Malcom in the Middle
For me it’s kind of the opposite. I have always been extremely hard on myself in every area of my life and to some extent I still am. But realizing that some of the difficulties I’m dealing with may be due to me having undiagnosed ADHD, is such a relief. It doesn’t fix me. It doesn’t really change anything, but it gave me the ability to forgive myself for some of the things I’m not good at or fuck up.
Sometimes you do your best and it’s not really good enough, but it was the best you could do and that is okay. Life is a bit easier to live when you accept that you are a turtle and not a bird, so you don’t have to constantly try and learn how to fly.
It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose; that is not a weakness, but a part of life.
- Jean Luc Picard
Word to live by.
Comforting words to remember as well. Have taken a lot of hits lately, mostly things that are entirely out of my hands as well, so this was nice to read. 🥲
At least I’m lucky in love and friendship, so yay!
I have ADHD. All of my failings in life ARE my fault.
My symptoms may be the reason for a lot of the issues I have, but they aren’t an excuse. I can and have overcome all of them at some time given the right circumstances and/or medication. Sometimes I just don’t want to. Sometimes I chose to hyper focus on a video game for 6 hours instead of doing the chore that would take 10 minutes that I have been dreading for 2 days. Sometimes I like starting a new project instead of finishing an old one.
It’s just part of who I am.
Same boat here, wasn’t diagnosed until my 40’s, but I made it through college with great grades (not the first time around, went back to school in my late 20’s), well respected in my career and making good money… but I spent 3 days last week playing video games on my time off when I was supposed to be getting stuff done around the house.
There’ll be a point where my ability to “do” will switch back on, and all that will get done… it just didn’t happen last week.
At least the wife is understanding and knows that when my brain clicks over again it’ll be dealt with.
This follows that basic rule of forgiving and accepting yourself. Nice .
I never thought about it like this. Kinda made me tear up a little. Thanks for that. 😄
I mean…ADHD or not, your life is generally in your own hands, both successes and failures are your “fault”. The ADHD doesn’t take the responsibility, it only adds context.
Yes and no. I knew a guy that was biking and had an accident. He lost his legs. He because an athlete, did sailing and climbed mountain and stuff. He still couldn’t use a normal bike. Do you get what I mean? You can do self-help as much as you want but you can’t ask a blind person to look at the sky.
Or more like you can ask, but you’ll probably get a blank stare.
Sorry for the bad joke
This is only true under the assumption that ADHD is only to the detriment of the person. I don’t believe that to be true at all. Unlike e.g. missing a leg or being blind, which don’t really give any benefits at all, many people with ADHD are also very successful because it to drives them somewhere and makes them act because they simply have to.
Well i’m very good at my job because i hate bad interface. I’m “sucessful”. Going to the bank is still extremely stressful for me. I don’t think it’s a superpower. These conditions are charzcterized by spikey profile with disabilities in some stuff and exceptional abilities in other
What am I supposed to do when there’s enough bullshit happening to make a neurotypical stumble, and I just don’t have the working memory and focus to keep up with 3-4 things at once?
There’s no “I didn’t want to” in there.
Thanks for telling us you don’t have a clue what psychiatric disorders are, because that’s what you just announced by claiming ADHD is actually a benefit.
Sure, some people with ADHD are successful despite their condition. Some people who are blind or paralyzed are successful despite their conditions, too. But that should never be the standard against which all people with those conditions are measured. That’s ableism.
And if you don’t consider psychiatric disorders to be “real” disabilities, then fuck you, plain and simple.
You’re clearly not reading what I’m writing, so I’ll try being more clear.
The behavior ADHD brings out actually has the potential to be a benefit. Whether or not it is for the individual is dependent on a lot of other factors, much of it during upbringing. I already stated this, I’m fully aware of it being a problem more often than not. But the potential for it to be a benefit is absolutely there. Being blind has no potential to be an actual benefit for you…ever.
This is some Daredevil ass logic.
He was successful and he was blind ≠ He was successful AND he was blind.
Ikari has all of his “potential benefits”, AND eyesight and brutalized Matt Murdock, damn near killed him.
i mean being able to hyperfocus is nice but when i’m in a lot of pain or sleep deprived i hyperfocus on pain and that suuuuucks
I don’t know, Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder were pretty awesome. Lotsa great blues musicians were blind. If they could see they woulda had to work instead of making music.
That’s the level your logic is on.
Yeh people with ADHD could just educate their parents and teachers about how their brains work differently. And how do they not just diagnose themselves and get the meds to function in a society that is clearly not made for them to succeed. Total failure that’s entirely their fault.
Yeh people with ADHD could just educate their parents and teachers about how their brains work differently
getting my parent to believe [evil food] poisons me took almost a decade and they had explicit proof.
There are still people with (varying degrees of) ADHD that are both normally successful or wildly successful. They did this likely not despite their ADHD but because of it. They probably grew up in an environment that allowed them to find a positive outlet for themselves so they achieved behavioral patterns that utilized it to drive them forward instead of it getting in the way.
ADHD is not a superpower. No one is wildly succeeding because of any level that cannot be discounted by survivor biases. Show me the hard numbers to back up what appears to be third hand anecdotal claim or with all kindly and due respect, go fuck youself.
If they are wildly successful they were most likely born rich like the vast majority of wildly successful people. That would be the environment where they can succeed despite barriers. ADHD does not promote effort, the inability to stay focused and succeed is one of the criteria.
ADHD does let me think creatively about stuff because my mind races about all the possibilities and make uncommon connections, but that is because of all the coping mechanisms I have had to develop while working in a society that absolutely crushes people with the symptoms of ADHD. If autopay wasn’t a thing I would be missing bills constantly for example, it is a work around for the tediously large number of things that society expects everyone to remember and manage.
Context, which can be translated to useful keywords and traits to use for self discovery. Primarily for learning about the coping mechanisms that others have successfully deployed but also to ease the sort of negative thoughts in the last part of this post.
The worse part is when you get so good at coping that others don’t see the work that goes in just to function in a society built to your disadvantage.
Ugh, I hate that! Thank you for putting that into words. It’s always been this vague frustration that I could never quite explain to people.
Like, if all the hard work and progress I’ve made only goes so far as to rule out any sympathy or benefit of the doubt whenever my obstacles become insurmountable, then I guess I’ll just fuck off and not even try anymore…
Yes! And then whenever an online community springs up centering around solidarity, peer support, or advocacy pertaining to the common mental disorder, the same crowd who complains about avocado toast and rotisserie chicken get up in arms about “labels” becoming a “trend.”
Like, no it’s not a fucking trend. Some people deal with these illnesses every fucking day, and it’s totally okay for them to talk about it online with other people who understand the experience. Outsiders looking in just think they’re conforming to what the internet says about the traits, but the reality is that some people have these traits and have to live with them every day.
Clusters of traits get identified by researchers and standardized in the DSM, and that gives people the language and toolkit they need to understand themselves and talk about it with others. It’s descriptive rather than prescriptive.
These descriptions pop up online because that’s what some people experience. People aren’t retrofitting their experience just to conform to an internet trope, like some folks claim. But someone who hasn’t experienced that or been close to someone who has will never understand that.
And unfortunately, some people who are close to someone with a mental disorder are still skeptical and dismissive of them. It’s really frustrating, and damaging too, because it’s essentially gaslighting someone who’s already mentally ill by saying they’re actually fine and just need to stop being annoying, suck it up and “just be normal.” For fuck’s sake!
Yeah my grandma couldn’t keep her key for the life of her. It makes me sad to think she spent her whole life not knowing what was happening to her.
The best part is how it can cause one to develop any of a number of co-morbid mental issues and then those people will see that and try and force the adhd person to cure what is essentially a symptom of the adhd they won’t acknowledge.
As someone presumably older than you, I would urge people in that situation to separate from those people. The lonilness of your own mind is superior to their toxicity. Take the time to find yourself as you are without these people loading you up with self doubt.
Most adhd people find adhd, true adhd people make the easiest friends. Find those people, they will not doubt you. Any reject yours and their adhd would clearly be suffering from one of those co-morbids.
So much this! I was in therapy for depression. I had no idea that I had ADHD, just internalized the stuff about being lazy, not trying hard enough, etc. Then I eventually got a therapist who has ADHD. She started sprinkling in stories from her own life, and every time I was like “OMG, I relate so hard to that!” Eventually she was like, “Sooo have you considered…?”
ADHD adds obstacles and barriers, where ‘failures’ can be due to simple things like trouble memorizing people’s names instantly when you first meet them because not meeting social expectations counts against you.
I have a subset of this problem where I think I might be faking imposter syndrome so that people will think I actually know what I’m doing.
you know what feels scary? i spent a lot of time on the stage in my 20s. i know how to bullshit authoritatively on like anything. i only use that skill on my wife and my brother i get along with, because bullshitting at each other in a Bet You Won’t Yes And This competition is really fun.
You managed to get impostor syndrome squared
double secret imposter syndrome.
I will beat your fucking ass if you come at me like this again.
I’ve tried to live a large portion of my life like this.
Don’t.
Well, I have been “tested” by neuropsychologists and they said I have symptoms that looks like ADHD, but it’s probably not that. I never pushed more as it’s difficult to get any diagnosis or help here in Quebec as an adult. In the end they said I may have PDA, and they will not give me a straight answer.
I still consider myself nerodivergent but according to the medical system here, I don’t have ADHD. I just have a lot of symptoms that are common.
You very well still could be. Diagnosing conditions like these is very complicated when different things can present similarly, or even mask each other depending on their presentation. Autism and ADHD have a lot of overlap for example where it’s not uncommon for someone to have one and be mistakenly diagnosed with the other because of how their particular combination of strengths and deficits manifested. Then still other conditions can mask symptoms entirely that without them no one would ever guess that someone might have ADHD.
That’s what happened to my wife in fact. She joined a research study that was aiming to improve diagnosis for ADHD looking to be part of the control because she was reasonably certain she didn’t have ADHD.
We come to find out through participating in that study that no, she did in fact have ADHD and her severe OCD had just been masking it all her life. The second she got on a new medication that got her OCD more under control I got a front row seat to literally watch the things I struggle every day with just manifest in her like I’d given her the damn Curse of the Were-Fuckup.
Autism and ADHD are a such a good example for this. While 15 years ago the DSM still said that it is impossible to have both, today we know that there is a huge overlap. Depending on the studies, when you have Autism, there is a 40-70% chance that you also have ADHD. And if you are diagnosed with ADHD, the chances to also have autism are between 20-50%
And there are enough other common comorbidities that could be seen as the “main” diagnosis and prevent you from being correctly diagnosed, like depression, odd, ocd or anxiety.
It’s so important to get a psychiatrist that is specialized and it’s a shame that it seems to be an almost global problem to even get any.
Or maybe it’s time to understand that mental issues aren’t as clearcut as viruses that you can test in a lab. As long as we don’t understand the fine grain of how the whole brain work (and so far we only have ideas about it, not the whole story), the yes/no diagnostic will stay a dead end imo.
Sorry to hear you have trouble though, I hope you still lives ok <3 good luck!
Apparently DSM6 is giving up on naming disorders and will instead name only the traits. So instead of being diagnosed as autistic and ADHD you’ll be diagnosed with Hyperfocus, Executive Disfunction, Maladaptive Daydreaming and stuff like that…
While it’s a lovely notion that maybe one day we might live in a world that doesn’t otherize and pathologize the way the minds of neurodivergent people function. Or that maybe one day the whole of society might not be organized around the convenience and function of neurotypical people and I would love for either of those would either of those to be the case. The fact of the matter is that this is not the world we currently live in. So if someone with ADHD or Autism wanted support from this society in the form of say medication, or therapy, then in most cases they would need to still engage with that system that pathologizes the way their minds work and acquire a diagnosis.
So what good does it do to come into a conversation about the flaws in that diagnostic process and essentially just say “Well, maybe it shouldn’t be like that.” as if anyone here is in any position to just wave a magic wand and change the diagnostic criteria in the next edition of the DSM?
Yeah if you wanna go to work, just sit on the back of the bus, grandma
I’m not sure what you’re saying here.
That with that kind of defeatism the US would still live under jim crow laws.
Ah so you’re LARPing as a civil rights activist, got it.
You do realize that this right here isn’t “activism” right? That in reality I’m doing more activism by giving someone advice on how to navigate the world as it currently exists than you are by pretending that saying “Things should be better than they are” on a random ADHD Meme community is “activism” in any real sense of the word.
I went and got “tested” once and was told it is impossible that I have ADHD because I did not commit crimes as a child.
No, seriously. I didn’t steal things, I didn’t fight people, primarily because I was afraid of my dad and his physical punishment. Apparently this is a key lynchpin criteria of an ADHD diagnosis. Never mind that I constantly got into minor trouble for never shutting up, or that I couldn’t sit still, or that I read literally every single book in the entire fiction section of my middle school library in the 3 years I attended that school. Never mind that ADHD-memes groups read like a structural study of my life.
Guess I’ll just fucking suffer I suppose 🤷
Wow, crime that wasn’t something that came up when I got my diagnosis. Impulsiveness, sure, but not criminal enterprise.
We all know the medical system is flawed and adopts a paternalist / validist approach to neurodiversity (not to mention straight up corruption by big pharma). I don’t want to fetishize self-diagnostic, but if I went to my doctor to say “I’m depressed”, nobody will doubt my experience, so why would it be any difference for neurodivergence.
Put simply, a large cohort of mental health providers will look at anyone asking about ADHD as if they are lying and just fishing for a prescription for stimulants. Especially if you look like you’re college age. So if you get unlucky with who you see when you finally go to get tested they might just take one look at you and decide “This person is looking for drugs” and ignore literally everything you present with because of it.
And the rest of that cohort will blindly oblige as big pharma’s paying for their holiday. I have no trust in psychiatrists tbh
Ah yes, because it’s totally impossible that medication can help people with ADHD cope with a world that was set up for them to fail.
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Feel better now?
no ofc not. I go on lemmy to fucking relax not take your sarcasm. I had to carry an suicidal SO to the psychward, where the fucking guy told me "I’m only handling pure psychiatric cases (aka so i can prescribe pills), then the day afterward I found her unconscious and I had to carry her to the emergency. Fuck you for defending psychiatrists and all the people that suffered because of them.
The funniest thing to me is you calling me ableist because what? I don’t agree with you and called you out for LARPing at activism? I’m disabled, I’ve got 3 developmentally disabled kids, all with varying degrees of autism and ADHD, my partner is disabled to the point where even if I was personally physically able to work I couldn’t because she needs me available 24/7 to care for her.
Oh but no, I’m talking about engaging with the system as it exists as a neurodivergent person. That obviously must mean my only goal is to perpetuate the current system of wage slavery. Not to idk maybe help some people like me make it through their day without it taking literally every ounce of energy they have just to exist, let alone keep up with any of the demands of living like rent, food, etc.
How is it funny? You’re being hurtful and mean and jump on my throat for expressing something I lived through. I’m not launghing. I’m sad
And none of this is my fucking fault. Remember when i said “sorry that happened to you” and tried to find a middle ground and you kept attacking me for no reason?
That’s not what i said. I’m fully aware ADHD meds allows some people to simply function, even regardless of the environment.
That being said, it’d be naive to think pharma companies aren’t bribing psychiatrists on a daily basis. Medicalizing neurodivergence is problematic in its own right.
Come on buddy we’re all friends here, don’t sarcasm me, please :)
Then think about what you’re saying. If you actually believe that medication can be helpful, but then you go around saying things that can be easily misconstrued as “Half of them will ignore you, and the other half are shills for big pharma you shouldn’t trust them,” how can those two things coexist? How can you not see that those words are going to lead to people just deciding against even attempting to get on medication even if they might be among the group that it helps to not suffer in a society built around the convenience and function of neurotypicals?
Maybe we could give benzos for free so the woman can bare sexism.
Did that occur to you that medication isn’t for everybody? I’ve been prescribed pills and I felt terrible.
There’s nothing to be misconstructed. https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/193nmt1/142_million_in_undisclosed_conflicts_of_interest/
It’s the truth.
I’ve got OCD as well so reading that I had to reaffirm in my head that that is in fact not the case otherwise my OCD would’ve considered it a threat and gone into panic mode 🙃
Honestly, medication helped with this for me. Seeing how hyper stimulants make other folks while they settle me down. The amount of productivity I experienced in my first few weeks of medication was outstanding. Sadly, those tapered off and while i didn’t return to mean, now I barely functional without them.
Of course autism is not treatable by medication…
Is there such a thing as an “ADHD egg” 👀
Not really. We have: peer reviewed but undiagnosed, “I should get checked because these memes are too relatable”, good student if they applied themselves more; and a few other categories that I lost the focus to think about.
ND gang feel free to add to the list.
