I mean if we’re talking actual substance, the scale does come into play. It’s not a clean cut “they’re both equally evil” scenario unless you’re happy to ignore the difference between atrocities and vastly better funded atrocities. ICE funding increased by an order of magnitude under Trump 2. I mean it’s literally over 10x now what it was a decade ago, and almost all of that is from the budget bill from 2025
Liberals consider the lives of two Americans killed by ice to be more valuable than the lives of two hundred thousand Palestinians killed by American bombs
All I’m saying is that if we’re measuring the degree of the slide into fascism, one side is significantly more accelerationist about it. 10x is nothing to sniff at. I know ICE is just one symptom of the problem. Are we going to cherry pick symptoms of fascism, now?
I’m all for a socialist revolution in the US.
I also value nuance in the conversation about the state of things.
One of the more likely paths to community building in the states is through the union movement, so electing the people spending 10x as much to physically assault the working class and actively grinding down any protections unions have is, uh, still pretty bad.
Don’t care what you call yourself, I’m going off what you actually say.
I don’t consider them to be more valuable
Your statements make it undeniably obvious that you do.
All I’m saying is that if we’re measuring the degree of the slide into fascism, one side is significantly more accelerationist about it.
See? You immediately demonstrated that you don’t consider Palestinian lives to be as valuable as Americans. That’s the only way you could think that the Democrats are not already fully slid into fascism.
I also value nuance in the conversation about the state of things.
Oh please, you have no nuance here, just chauvinism.
One of the more likely paths to community building in the states is through the union movement, so electing the people spending 10x as much to physically assault the working class and actively grinding down any protections unions have is, uh, still pretty bad.
Lol, as if the Democrats are friends of organised labour. What a fucking joke. You’re also, once again, showing how little you value the lives of foreigners. Your union isn’t worth the lives of half a million Palestinians.
“Evil” is not a useful heuristic for analysis. What is obvious is that from one party to the other, there is a continuous escalation in fascist forces and fascist actions. We got a fucking genocide under the dems, and they also voted for the ICE budget expansion. “More or less evil” does not apply here: you might as well judge which individual gears of the orphan grinding machine are “more or less evil”. They are part of the same machine, serve the same function, and are equally our enemy.
I mean if we’re talking actual substance, the scale does come into play. It’s not a clean cut “they’re both equally evil” scenario unless you’re happy to ignore the difference between atrocities and vastly better funded atrocities. ICE funding increased by an order of magnitude under Trump 2. I mean it’s literally over 10x now what it was a decade ago, and almost all of that is from the budget bill from 2025
Liberals consider the lives of two Americans killed by ice to be more valuable than the lives of two hundred thousand Palestinians killed by American bombs
I’m not a liberal
I don’t consider them to be more valuable
All I’m saying is that if we’re measuring the degree of the slide into fascism, one side is significantly more accelerationist about it. 10x is nothing to sniff at. I know ICE is just one symptom of the problem. Are we going to cherry pick symptoms of fascism, now?
I’m all for a socialist revolution in the US.
I also value nuance in the conversation about the state of things.
One of the more likely paths to community building in the states is through the union movement, so electing the people spending 10x as much to physically assault the working class and actively grinding down any protections unions have is, uh, still pretty bad.
Don’t care what you call yourself, I’m going off what you actually say.
Your statements make it undeniably obvious that you do.
See? You immediately demonstrated that you don’t consider Palestinian lives to be as valuable as Americans. That’s the only way you could think that the Democrats are not already fully slid into fascism.
Oh please, you have no nuance here, just chauvinism.
Lol, as if the Democrats are friends of organised labour. What a fucking joke. You’re also, once again, showing how little you value the lives of foreigners. Your union isn’t worth the lives of half a million Palestinians.
“Evil” is not a useful heuristic for analysis. What is obvious is that from one party to the other, there is a continuous escalation in fascist forces and fascist actions. We got a fucking genocide under the dems, and they also voted for the ICE budget expansion. “More or less evil” does not apply here: you might as well judge which individual gears of the orphan grinding machine are “more or less evil”. They are part of the same machine, serve the same function, and are equally our enemy.