• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      23 hours ago

      The important thing is to organize, and recognize the futility of relying on voting within bourgeois “democracy” to bring about positive change.

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        22 hours ago

        I agree with you and principal, But do you really believe that if people voted the other way in the last election we wouldn’t be seeing net less suffering right now?

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          21 hours ago

          Well you’d be SEEING less thanks to the likelihood of copmala having way better pr but in reality us of the periphery and USian minorities would still be subject to much the same just with a better spin for the Euro-Americans.

          Remember Obama destroyed Libya. The Clinton’s bombed Yugoslavia and Iraq as well as the entire Somali debacle.

          In reality if you see non white suffering as counting odds are the net would be within the error bars if you graphed it.

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          21 hours ago

          That’s certainly hard to directly claim either way, but the concept of “voting for the lesser of two evils” is partially responsible for what got us here.

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        While we’re busying “organizing”, would it be ok to take 20 minutes out of our day once a year to go vote for the lesser of two evils? Because on the off chance it might take us a while to get organized, one of the two major parties will probably still be in power.

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          It’s not 20 minutes every year. It takes all the air out of the room for the entire interval between elections. It wastes the time of the would be most politically active people for years on end.

          We’re already talking about “if you don’t vote for Newsome you’re voting for Trump”

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          Yes, that can be tactically advantageous, depending on your circumstances. Just leave it at that. Don’t pour all your energy in electoralism, campaigning and following news around those.

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        Well, they are working on it, at least for certain demographics.

        So I guess there was a chance, or why would they bother now.

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        Exactly. Both parties are the same, so don’t even bother.

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          “The United States is also a one-party state, but in typical American extravagance they have two of them.”

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          The only path forward for Americans is to destroy their corrupt and evil government. If you keep voting for the same evil and corrupt people you will accomplish nothing and stay living in the same world destroying hell you exist in now.

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          Why waste time canvassing and voting and taking part in the system that is from its inception designed to keep you down? Take that time and effort and put it into something meaningful like organising a militant party of those with theoretical grounding to build up a counter power structure and make real change.

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            23 hours ago

            Yes! We’ll have the coolest uniforms, and our leader will have long, flowing hair! 😍

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              Coming out unprompted against cool uniforms is yet another example of liberals shooting themselves in the foot by rejecting obviously popular ideas out of hand for being too communist and ethnic.

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              I was right you’re one of those. Best of luck to you in life I hope you don’t regret it when you get what you want.

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      23 hours ago

      What’s democratic centralism btw? Definitely not something where you vote amirite fellow libs?