Also it’s wholly irrelevant at this point. If someone didn’t vote for Kamala in 2024 and still thinks that was the right decision they are either so stupid so as to be involed, republican but I repeat myself, or just an asshole.
Point is theres no point beating that particular drumb at this point.
Easy. States that disapprove of unconstitutional laws and EOs can declare that they’re null and void in their states.
Don’t think that the states are completely powerless against whoever occupies the office of President. They’ve nullified laws before, they can do it again.
States have their own legislatures. What you’re proposing is up to them. Federal legislators don’t have anything to do with state policy, they can only enact federal policy
Are you suggesting defederation? I view that as a last resort. Despite all the threats to electoral integrity, the election hasn’t been stolen yet. There’s still a chance to save this ship.
New England or the West Coast would be fine after a dissolution of the Union of States, but what about all the disadvantaged people in deep red states? You want to just leave them behind?
No, I propose the thing that is less serious than secession, but will probably piss off the federal government: nullification. Basically, the state agrees to stay in the Union, but the state will no longer follow federal laws that they deem unconstitutional.
Take California, for instance. Suppose they are done with Trump’s shit. The California Supreme Court rules that Trump’s tariffs are unconstitutional, causing the tariffs to be voided in the state. While this is guaranteed to piss off Trump, it is likely that it would restore some faith with America’s allies. It might even give a boost to commerce that goes through California.
And remember: the exact situation I describe happened before in the US, and it ended peacefully. There were concerns of a civil war, but Congress passed some things to placate the state engaging in nullification. The same could be done today.
I agree that states should nullify as much of this unconstitutional and oppressive federal policy as they’re able. It’ll probably bring retaliation, impounded funds, a swarm of ICEstaffel, and maybe some sham investigations into politicians. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it, but be aware of the risks.
The thing is, the feds aren’t really acting within the confines of the law. They’re not really passing much legislation for the states to nullify. Potus is ruling by decree with unconstitutional executive orders, and the mechanisms of the federal government are just falling in line. All congress has done is pass some funding packages and give tax cuts to billionaires while cutting essential social services.
States should do what they can, yeah. But the feds aren’t exactly following the law so states need to be willing and able to enforce their countermeasures.
My dude, the primaries are probably not gonna matter since Trump is very likely to just steal 2026 and 2028.
None of this would be happening if Kamala had won, but you’re an .ml user so I wouldn’t expect you to be able to comprehend that fact.
Can we stop with the Kamalaposting now please? I don’t think any minds are going to be changed on that front anymore
Also it’s wholly irrelevant at this point. If someone didn’t vote for Kamala in 2024 and still thinks that was the right decision they are either so stupid so as to be involed, republican but I repeat myself, or just an asshole.
Point is theres no point beating that particular drumb at this point.
He’s actually one of the least radical .ml users around and generally has pretty sane takes.
Seeing ‘least insane xxx user’ played straight is weird and I don’t like it
Now that you point it out, I kinda agree. I honestly wasn’t going for the meme take though.
All Kamala winning would do is delay the inevitable.
Electing a Democrat to the Presidency these days is like draining an epidermoid cyst. Electing a Republican is letting the cyst rupture.
Draining a cyst won’t get rid of it. The only way to remove a cyst for good is to cut the whole thing out.
Yeah but delaying it until after I die would have been nice.
A very boomer mentality. Who cares what happens to the kids so long as things go great for you, yeah?
#BothSides, for sure. But how do YOU define “harm reduction” and “binary choice”?
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Easy. States that disapprove of unconstitutional laws and EOs can declare that they’re null and void in their states.
Don’t think that the states are completely powerless against whoever occupies the office of President. They’ve nullified laws before, they can do it again.
States have their own legislatures. What you’re proposing is up to them. Federal legislators don’t have anything to do with state policy, they can only enact federal policy
Yes, it is indeed up to them. Do you see what I’m getting at here?
Are you suggesting defederation? I view that as a last resort. Despite all the threats to electoral integrity, the election hasn’t been stolen yet. There’s still a chance to save this ship.
New England or the West Coast would be fine after a dissolution of the Union of States, but what about all the disadvantaged people in deep red states? You want to just leave them behind?
No, I propose the thing that is less serious than secession, but will probably piss off the federal government: nullification. Basically, the state agrees to stay in the Union, but the state will no longer follow federal laws that they deem unconstitutional.
Take California, for instance. Suppose they are done with Trump’s shit. The California Supreme Court rules that Trump’s tariffs are unconstitutional, causing the tariffs to be voided in the state. While this is guaranteed to piss off Trump, it is likely that it would restore some faith with America’s allies. It might even give a boost to commerce that goes through California.
And remember: the exact situation I describe happened before in the US, and it ended peacefully. There were concerns of a civil war, but Congress passed some things to placate the state engaging in nullification. The same could be done today.
I agree that states should nullify as much of this unconstitutional and oppressive federal policy as they’re able. It’ll probably bring retaliation, impounded funds, a swarm of ICEstaffel, and maybe some sham investigations into politicians. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it, but be aware of the risks.
The thing is, the feds aren’t really acting within the confines of the law. They’re not really passing much legislation for the states to nullify. Potus is ruling by decree with unconstitutional executive orders, and the mechanisms of the federal government are just falling in line. All congress has done is pass some funding packages and give tax cuts to billionaires while cutting essential social services.
States should do what they can, yeah. But the feds aren’t exactly following the law so states need to be willing and able to enforce their countermeasures.