Everything is about surveillance nowadays. Doesn’t anyone worry about being vexed anymore? Are there nanobots in my Snickers bar checking out my duodenum?
So reading the commentary in the first link, if you flash your printer with new GPL firmware that bypasses these restrictions, you’re now in violation.
And what if I move (back) to WA with my printer purchased out of state that I’ve already modded?
I see what they’re trying to do, make ghost gun production illegal, but turning makers into criminals for flashing their printers with new firmware seems the wrong way.
it is, and they don’t understand that the hardware on a 3d printer isn’t capable of analyzing what it’s about to print like that, it’s not even close. People average laptop couldn’t even analyze a random part and give a reasonable estimate of how likely it is a gun part unless it’s an exact match, but if you tweak 1 thing it would be lost.
I don’t think these lawmakers have any clue how anything works. 3d modeling, slicing, and firmware would all have to have spyware in it and be uploading data to the cloud to be analyzed for this to be remotely possible. Not only is that financially impractical, it’s logistically impossible.
It always is. Always blanket laws that cover so many legal things to get normal law abiding citizens in a bind.
For a printer to be compliant, it mustn’t be possible to bypass the restrictions. So your printer might not even be legal if it allows you to flash custom firmware.
identify and reject print requests for firearms or illegal firearm parts with a high degree of reliability and cannot be overridden or otherwise defeated by a user with significant technical skill.
It’s not really spying, it’s not it like it reports to the government what you print.
This is literally an identical feature to what is already in every single ink printer on the market, that blocks printing or copying of currency.
Obviously you are not at all familiar with how 3d printers work, how that currency counterfeit prevention works or how the limits of it mean that they had to put tracking dots into the machine as a backup, but here’s a dirty secret about it:
The reason printers are so expensive, you have limited options for brands, no one has an alternative open source version and they can’t be built at home is because of laws that make it a requirement to have this technology that restricts their use.
It’s dramatically easier to prevent a two-dimensional printer that requires proprietary software from your computer to prepare the prints to send to the printer. For starters, that proprietary software is only available from The printer manufacturer and it weighs hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of megs. The printer also has on it a pretty powerful chip to receive all that information and instructions and pretty powerful DRM to make sure that you can’t access it without jumping through their hoops.
Most 3D printers are made from components that can all be taken out and replaced individually. They run software that is custom built and available open source. By their very nature nearly every model of 3D printer is much more customizable and It is widely understood how to build one from scratch.
Making a law like this is a kin to making a law that says it’s illegal to sell a notebook that people could use to plan a crime. It’s unworkably restrictive and in order to pull it off you’re going to have to violate a whole lot of rights.
Obviously you haven’t actually read the article.
The technical feasibility has fuck all to do with the fact that this bill doesn’t want your 3D printer to spy on you. There is zero requirement whatsoever in the bill for reporting or storage of data on what you’ve printed. The headline is just a straight up lie.
Good thing I didn’t bring up spying at all or you might have a point that somehow speaks to a thing I said.
What the bill does include is a wish list of stupid things you could only want if you didn’t understand the technology.
It’s also the thin end of the wedge meant to create a context for an excuse to further restrict these devices.
Most 3D printers run software that is smaller than most 3D prints.
I’m going to say that another couple of different ways in case you didn’t understand it, The software that runs on these devices is measured in the hundreds of kilobytes. A 2-in wide Batman symbol with no flourishes or extra details is going to be 10 to 30 times that size. There’s not even enough memory on the device to hold the entire print so it reads the instructions on how to make it one line at a time.
Those instructions are written in G-Code and g code is older than even the concept of most computer peripherals. G-Code can be written by hand, and is a technology older than computer monitors, digital audio, the mouse, or The indicator light.
So you want to add more computer to a device than the device normally costs so that it can run software that no one has written or knows how to write so it can detect shapes based on their future intended usage to prevent people from using their highly customizable home manufacturing device to Make single use firearms in a country that already has more guns than people…
So Amazon can buy the data, know what we’re printing, steal the designs and make a product for it, capturing the market they only know existed by spying on us. Knowledge is power and I’d rather not further empower the psychopaths who are primarily responsible for the widespread reduction of our qol. But the idiot masses won’t give a fuck because they’re foolish and never think anything they want to do is bad.
You do know that any regular printer you have/use, for at least a decade, has an identical feature against printing/copying currency ?
Tell me how many handmade 2D printers are out there with this restriction?
How many 2D printer building kits have you seen online?
Ever seen open source sold with censorship built in? How would that work?
It doesn’t block open source firmware. It just requires a detection algorithm for the factory default firmware on new printers sold. Did any of you geniuses actually read the article ?
There is no algorithm for that. That’s just technobabble. In order to detect if somebody is trying to print any specific shape you’re going to need software that can look for that shape in an arbitrary cloud of point data. That software does not exist.
No one has developed that kind of software and in order to develop it would require a tremendous amount of research and development. Who pays for that?
Now let’s say you were the company who did that research and development Do you build the cost of developing this anti-product into a line of products that you will sell? What’s the market for that product? If you sold the printer with no chip at all are you exempt from that requirement?
Will a device that has to include the additional cost that comes with all of the additional needed computer hardware, software development, and anticircumvention technology be in any way competitive on the market against models that don’t include these additional unnecessary expenses?
How long will people be allowed to make aftermarket modifications to their 3D printer if the aftermarket modifications don’t also include the additional computer hardware needed to run software that could arbitrarily detect gun parts in 3D printed designs?
I don’t think you understand how completely insane and unworkable a plan like this is because you’re comparing 3D printers to 2D printers. That’s a little bit like comparing paint by numbers to scratch and sniff.
And?
And you don’t see Amazon using that feature to spy on everything anyone on earth has ever printed, do you ?
O just love that true one single product bthat allows you to replicate itself in an open non spy way now must have spyware.
Politicians are idiots
Jokes on you, my printers are 100% opensource and I program them with the code I want.
Get on the ground, hands behind your back! Bang bang bang bang bang!
Yup, we got another suicide on our hands…
Sprinkle some coke on him and bake him away, toys
He shouldn’t have resisted.
That’s Washington state, not DC.
Surveillance capitalism and the fascists always find a way to debase everything good that people like.
Until they can wrong money out of
Uncommon Washington State L
They haven’t stopped at printers, they have everything now constructed to spy. Even a lot of things that have no legitimate purpose being connected to the internet. Soon we will not be able to find the non “smart” devices. We can’t take batteries out of electronics that can spy on us anymore. It’s a federal felony now to alter the programming on an electronic you bought as well.
People who can’t imagine that should try buying a non-smart TV. It’s fucking impossible, unless 24-32 inch are enough for you (PC monitor size).
Washington state.
Heeeeeyyyyyy. I have a k1c with cfs, is there open source support? I’m dumb, I like the printer, and the cfs is alright. Not thrilled about the opaque software and definitely not thrilled with ‘cloud intrgration’
I have a Prusa XL, and the reason is, Prusa is (still) mostly open-source. And quite frankly it’s the only reason why I stick with Prusa, because technically they’re behind the curve.
Same. Still like their support and community too. It’s not so far behind that I feel like it’s a compromise to the point where I can get it to do everything I want it to do. I’m paying for my open source preference and the support / community instead of the most modern fancy features. I want both, but I’d still choose the former especially when the latter seems to involve more and more privacy infringement.
I’m paying for my open source preference and the support / community instead of the most modern fancy features. I want both, but I’d still choose the former
I try to apply the same logic whenever I can too.
For instance, my laptop is a MNT Reform: it’s a very good laptop, but it’s literally 6 times the price of a comparatively-specced laptop from a big-box store.
And my cellphone is a Fairphone 5 running Ubuntu Touch. I chose the Fairphone for the repairability and increased openness, but it’s also 2 to 3 times the price of a more common brand cellphone with similar performances. And Ubuntu Touch itself comes with its own set of restrictions, but that’s the price of trying to be as free from the Android ecosystem as possible.
So yeah, you can do open, but the choice is very limited and you pay a lot for the privilege.
I chose the Fairphone for the repairability and increased openness, but it’s also 2 to 3 times the price of a more common brand cellphone
Only outside of Europe or their free-trade partners, in Europe I can get a Gen 5 for 400€ and Gen 6 for about 550€. It’s extremely annoying for most countries, but regarding the US it’s 100% their regime’s fault for not having any comparable company (they get immediately smushed by Google, Apple & Co by any means necessary) or at least low / no tariffs with the EU zone (Trump literally killed a done deal in this regard one week before ratification with his threats of invading Greenland).
For instance, my laptop is a MNT Reform: it’s a very good laptop, but it’s literally 6 times the price of a comparatively-specced laptop from a big-box store.
Now that’s really special. :D There are a lot of “normal” (x86) devices on the market that are way more affordable as well. For a while Slimbook offered a modern native Linux laptop for <500€, and there are also companies like System76 (US), NovaCustom (NL) or Star Labs (UK) with laptops running on open firmware that come with less restrictions and powerful hardware.
For people who aren’t (yet) poor it’s mostly a problem of discoverability and lack of knowledge not to go with the more sane products. We get bombarded with ads promising the best experience on the usual platforms (that are as manipulative as possible). BambuLab also plays this game perfectly, their influencer marketing paired with VC-funded undercutting prices are top notch in getting people locked into their garbage.
I don’t get why they insist on sticking to their own somewhat inferior software platform when a good, 100% open source, and better performing alternative exists with klipper.
🩷🩷🩷I’ll check it out! Thanks so much!
Helper script (2nd link) is easier to use. simple AF (first link) is fully open source, but requires you to use another bed leveling probe - no open source „driver” for prtouch- the built in one (which is slow and not terribly accurate anyway).
Creality Helper Script is a must have. My K1C has run it through the very first second. Getting as much open source (for a reasonable budget) and control on my marines is the main decision factor for my purchases.
Am I understanding this bill wrong? (Not English native)
This is bill is about blocking ability to print firearms related stuff and not about spying customers?
How do you block firearm parts at the printer level without analyzing and judging the files a user provides?
Even if this was possible (it’s not), most printers don’t have the kind of processing power needed to reverse slicing back into the solid object so that it can be compared with banned parts. They’d either have to put in much larger computers and spike the cost per unit or do it server-side and be always-online.
This is exactly correct. Its like these people are not giving it one thought.
There are two bills one says to not sell to criminals and to not allow them to operate the machines…hmm okay…
Hey, I’m selling my Bridgeport!
Hey I want to buy it!
Are you a Felon?
No
Prove it, please fill out this application form so we can send it off to the government for review.
No thanks!
Wait so are you a Felon or just because its stupid and intrusive?
Stupid and intrusive!
Okay thanks!
Hold on, my raspberry pi just got done comparing the model to one of a million different barrels. This will take a while…
Ten years later…
The new raspberry pi 34 can do 3 comparisons per day! And on just 10mW! Wow!
The new raspberry pi 34 can do 3 comparisons per day! And on just 10mW! Wow!
10 milliwatts is pretty good TBH, it definitely deserves a wow!
LOL.
You block a printer from making cylinders
I totally agree with you, like always politician have an idea but don’t even state how to realise it… So possibly this will actually never happen.
One thing that come to my mind is that manufacturer could maybe use some kind of hash database of firearms related files. While printer are not very powerful, that’s something that could be done on slicer but that would mean the death of open source software (at least in USA) as to implement this every manufacturer would need to force customer using their slicer. Also, wondering how much power demanding it is for printer to recreate solid object, could they just read gcode to analyse object? and since guns are not 25cmx25cmx25cm, it’s not like this would take ages to analyse.
