People are human and naturally sociable. They created monsters out of their soldiers. Dissonance gonna cause something to snap sooner or later.
So many if not most of tbese suicides are the state, connected groups, killing them. They are fascist, it comes with the territory.
Not all that knew either, they have long disguised state sanctioned murder as car accidents.
OP’s post history contains exclusively pro -China and anti-Western propaganda narratives, but this here has a special spin. Not that condemning Israel’s atrocities is wrong, but while posting this here OP’s communities literally celebrating Russia’s atrocities against Ukrainian civilians or China’s genocide against people in Tibet, East Turkistan (Xinjiang), and Inner Mongolia.
As one study says:
… The presence of left-wing extremism on the Lemmygrad. ml instance of the decentralized social media platform Lemmy, from its launch in 2019 up to a month after the bans of the subreddits r/GenZedong and r/GenZhou … reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. …
[Users] frequently share posts that support authoritarian regimes, as seen in their support for China, North Korea, and Russia. Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Additionally, we observe anti-Zionist and antisemitic behaviors, which show similarities to right-wing extremism … Our analysis suggests a concerning endorsement of authoritarian actions and extremist rhetoric on Lemmygrad. ml, further indicating that left-wing extremist communities on decentralized platforms should receive more attention from the academic community.
It’s a deeply repugnant mindset.
This is an ad hominem attack. I can abhor both the IDF and the CCP simultaneously, and this post is pro-neither. If OP posts something “repugnant”, then call them out in that comment section.
Read their entire post history. The spin is absolutely clear.
Every time someone calls out Israel we get people discounting it because they are not perfect, and project motives.
Every time. Suspicious no? All the shit to discount, corporations funding fake science to poison to save a buck, you cancel an israel critic for an alleged lack of purity.
Every time someone calls out Israel we get people discounting it because they are not perfect, and project motives.
That doesn’t happen ‘every time’ nor is it about discounting Israel’s war crimes or what you call a ‘lack of purity.’ Just read OP’s post history. It’s a devastating testimony for a lack of any ethics.
I know we should be friendly and polite here, but celebrating violence against innocent people because they perceive them as ‘enemies’ is - at best - brainwashed, and it is mentally derailed at worst. Just read the linked study or go to the comms and read the posts there yourself.
Israel is the most ratfucked online discussion. Legions of mechanized troll divisions scramble to any mention. Chatbots too, the newer generation ones, paid for with tax dollars. This is one of their go to moves, criticizing anyone posting anything, any media reporting anything. Al jazeera they are in a country mean to woman, and so forth. Coming from the worst people in the world.
Not only do they ratfuck the discussion, they use the corrupt influence of the US government to get people cancelled on social media. Cancelled in a way people are not told why, a different issue, not even a violation, flags the person. Whether it’s mass flagging social media pretends not to see, or agencies and their contractors giving lists of accounts to violate.
Any time you find yourself on the same side as those people, you should re examine what you are doing, to prevent being tooled. There are a thousand issues you could call out right now, like Iran War 2 they are hyping.
The next wave of weird conspiracies just to distract from the topic.
As an addition: You don’t need to believe me or the linked study. Just go to these communities and read their posts and comments yourself.
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More of this please.
I’d rather have the war stop though.
According to Israel, they have, ahem… ‘the most moral military in the world’. And according to this psychiatrist these suicides are attributed to ‘moral injury’ due to ‘accidentally’ killing women and children.
With the amount of women and children murdered by the Israeli army, surely the entire army should have killed themselves through ‘moral injury’?
Perhaps the truth is simpler, Israel is a genocidal apartheid ethnocolony that forces its citizens to be complicit in its bloodshed through conscription and these are the few soldiers with any shred of morals left.
Maybe it’s important for Jews to see how easy it is to fall for a Reichstag fire event.
its the least that can happen to people actively commiting genocide.
So sad that these Israeli soldiers simply did not kill enough Palestinian children to sleep soundly tonight
Seems like suicide is the only proof that Zionists have any humanity.
Israeli army is significantly made of conscripts. Men need to serve at least 3 years compulsory military service, women 2 years.
And I am sure not all of them support the government. I would go as far as the one with PTSD and committing suicide are the ones that less support the talking points of the government
They were just following orders?
Men need to serve at least 3 years compulsory military service, women 2 years.
Are you saying there are no innocents in Israel?
They have the option of refusing service and serving a few months in jail instead of shooting toddlers in the head. Conscription is not an excuse.
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That excuse is one step removed from “just following orders”
Cool, what would you do? Desert? (And go where?) Commit suicide?
I sure as shit wouldn’t be shooting children in the streets. Anywhere I guess, but also the streets. I’d rather take a bullet to the head denying an order instead of murdering an innocent.
It is possible to refuse to be conscripted, and be sent to jail for 30 days. Mostly people go to another country.
Most of them are dual citizens anyway, easiest out for any military.
Being a Nazi come with mental baggage?
I know you’re making a joke, but the Nazis actually ran into the exact same issue.
The Einsatzgruppen (death squads) had the problem that executing so many people was ‘demoralizing’ to the troops. They started to suffer from mental health problems. It’s not surprising, is it? Even with all the propaganda, even believing they were only murdering ‘lebensunwertiges Leben’ (life unworthy of life), killing so many scared, crying people, including children, takes a toll. Oh and it also costs a lot of bullets.
Because of this the Nazis started using gas vans to kill people. But even that was a problem, because the soldiers were getting traumatized when they had to empty all the bodies out of the vans. So they started using prisoners to do that work…
But well, it was all very inefficient and slow and expensive. And that’s how we eventually ended up with fully industrialized death camps with gas chambers and crematoria (of course with prisoners doing all the dirty work because why the hell not).
Poor genociders
(Article from Oct. 2024)
I remember this article was suspiciously titled similar to another one from a different outlet about a Gazan teenager who suffered loss of limbs and family, while sheltering outside a a school in a makeshift refuge camp.
Almost as if CNN saw it and wanted to do a reverse take.
Yes, shooting civilians has that effect. I read something similar in the 3rd Reich general memoirs.
Yup. That’s why they came up with the extermination camps. More humane. For tne killers.
Almost like committing war crimes feels unethical. Obviously seen in Iraq, Viet Nam etc. I think it’s ok to feel bad for everyone
“Shooting and crying” (Hebrew: יורים ובוכים, romanized: yorim ve bochim) is an expression used to describe books, films or other forms of media that portray soldiers expressing remorse for actions they undertook during their service. It has often been associated with a practice that some former Israel Defense Force soldiers follow.
Gil Hochberg described “shooting and crying” as a soldier being “sorry for things I had to do.” This “non-apologetic apology” was the self-critique model advanced in Israel in many politically reflective works of literature and cinema as “a way of maintaining the nation’s self-image as youthful and innocent. Along with its sense of vocation against the reality of war, growing military violence, occupation, invasion, [there was] […] an overall sense that things were going wrong.”
