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  • The outcome wasn’t even decided on Palestine. And the majority of people who are against the genocide understood what was at stake, tried to push Harris left but voted for her in the end.

    So you can stop trying to scapegoat anyone who is against genocide as being somehow responsible for this outcome.

    If her base had spent more time calling her out for simultaneously calling Trump “hilterian” while also copying Hitler’s policies and chasing after those Republican votes and trying to please her corporate masters rather than fighting for the working class and using left wing economic policies to go after the billionaires and do something substantial about the everyday cost of living, housing, food, healthcare things would have turned out different.

    She needed those working class votes - all the people who will never own a home, can’t afford to go to a doctor and don’t give two shits about Palestine one way or the other.

    It sure might have given her a bump if she had made any kind of signal that she would make any kind of change on Palestine post-election. Apply American law to stop some shipments of weapons to an active genocide. Instead we got “most lethal military in the world” and Walz saying Israel must expand its borders. You have to understand that people who know Trump is much worse would still vote for her given the circumstances, but that’s not going to cause a surge of a big group of people to get out and vote.

    Still it may not have been enough without going to the mat to fight for the working class.

    Like really, imagine if it was your family and friends who had been killed in their beds by a year of slaughter by Biden / Harris / Netanyahu. And people are telling you “yeah but you’ve gotta vote for the people who killed your family or the other guys might start killing more people”. I don’t know about you but if all my family and friends had already been killed I might not have the energy to go out and vote for their murderers, or even have the will to live or participate in this fucked up world anymore.

    You can’t just shut down any leftist voices and continually run to the right and expect to win. If the voters who have been groomed for years on right-wing content want Hitler they’ve going to choose the real deal not Hitler-lite.

    If you throw your hands up and decide you’re now pro-genocide all of a sudden because you’ve scapegoated the victims of genocide, I don’t think you were ever really opposed to it, and you’re likely to accept the next genocide and the one after that.







  • I know it’s hard to imagine but there are people further to the left of rich corporate Democrat libs. They fucked up and they need to learn from their mistakes and finally put economically left Democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC into power just like many have been yelling and screaming at them to do for years if they want any chance if that’s even possible at this point.

    They can’t just follow Republicans further to the right, doing nothing for working people, following Trump on border policies, policing policies, giving money to their rich friends, do a genocide, then sprinkle on some vague culture war bullshit then call it a day and expect to win.

    Or you can just call anyone who calls you out a Trumpist, change nothing, and keep losing.


  • What do you mean “their preferred candidate”. Is everyone opposed to genocide a Trump supporter now? You’ve completely lost the plot.

    In every analysis Harris’s loss was due to being an out of touch corporate Democrat and not appealing to the working class.

    Also Rashida Tlaib was opposed to the genocide and won seats. If you had pushed Harris to break from Biden and oppose the genocide in any way shape or form she would have only gained voters. Morality aside that was a bad strategy.

    Regardless, Palestine was not the deciding factor in the Libs getting demolished, it was their own hubris and inability to take a Sander’s style hard swing to the left and fight for working people.





  • I think you’re right. Everyone is bowing down and kissing the ring.

    If Democrats want any respect they need to act bravely in unison now and erect every possible barrier possible.

    One of the problem with liberals is they believe we live in a somewhat fair and just world where laws work, justice takes time, and if you play by the rules everything will work out fine.

    Fascists will nod along with liberals while thinking they’re a bunch of idiots and will use their naivety against them until they gain power, then turn to violence.

    Trump has a lot of plans to put into place effect so there will be a lot of balls in the air and actors on the field.

    Everyone needs to block them, disrupt them, distract them in any way possible.






  • People standing up for Palestine didn’t vote for fucking Trump. They mostly begrudgingly voted for Harris.

    I’m not going to cast judgement on actual Palestinians who had their entire bloodlines erased by the Biden / Harris administration not being able to stomach voting for Harris.

    Regardless, they weren’t a big enough voting block to sway the election.

    The blame lies more with the DNC, Republicans, Trump. Hell 55% of Latino men voted for Trump.

    Why couldn’t Biden / Harris do the bare minimum to stop sending countless bombs and weapons to Israel for an entire year of non-stop genocide? Are they completely guilt free in your mind?

    Even if some Arab Americans couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Harris, they were not actively voting for Trump.

    Palestinians have never done anything wrong except try to exist on their native land while undergoing decades of genocide while the world remained largely silent.

    “You get what you fucking deserve.”

    Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds. Don’t pretend you were ever on the left or ever stood against the genocide if that’s your attitude. You’re just trying to make it easy on yourself for not actually standing for anything and you’re just as guilty as those genocidal maniacs.