You’re dodging it, though. Rimu’s racism and anti-communism are deplorable, and the fact is that his anti-communism is what’s causing him to agree with unfounded racist claims. They reinforce each other.
So if Rimu was not on record of making those comments, you would still call him deplorable? That’s what I am trying to get at here.
I don’t really care how you classify the social credit system, I still don’t like it and that’s my point.
So you don’t oppose any actual admin tools then (other than the default federation blacklist)? Just the reputation system - which isn’t currently an admin tool.
If Rimu was merely an anti-communist alone, that would still be deplorable in my view, yes, it just so happens that Rimu takes it to racist levels.
So you don’t oppose any actual admin tools then (other than the default federation blacklist)? Just the reputation system - which isn’t currently an admin tool.
I oppose things baked into PieFed, like the abusable block system and the fact that phrases can block entire comments, etc. You’re getting hung up on admin tools when I’m speaking about broader issues I have with PieFed. PieFed isn’t for me, but it’s for other people, and that’s okay.
If Rimu was merely an anti-communist alone, that would still be deplorable in my view, yes, it just so happens that Rimu takes it to racist levels.
Okay then, so then it’s acceptable presumably for people to regard lemmy.ml owners in the same way if they were so inclined.
I oppose things baked into PieFed, like the abusable block system and the fact that phrases can block entire comments, etc. You’re getting hung up on admin tools when I’m speaking about broader issues I have with PieFed. PieFed isn’t for me, but it’s for other people, and that’s okay.
The filter system isn’t even active anywhere to my knowledge. It’s a tool some instance admins could use if they wanted to. Tbh, I don’t see the problem in theory if they wanted to block people from slurring (for example).
Define “acceptable.” I don’t think communist views are deplorable, nor do I think opposing racism is deplorable. If someone expresses deplorable right-wing views, then that itself is bad, not simply having views.
The filter system isn’t even active anywhere to my knowledge. It’s a tool some instance admins could use if they wanted to. Tbh, I don’t see the problem in theory if they wanted to block people from slurring (for example).
Slurs can be filtered without needing to block the entire comment. Mods and admins can remove egregious content.
Define “acceptable.” I don’t think communist views are deplorable, nor do I think opposing racism is deplorable. If someone expresses deplorable right-wing views, then that itself is bad, not simply having views.
No, if someone opposed communism - they’d be justified, in their mind, to consider the lemmy devs as “deplorable”, right?
Slurs can be filtered without needing to block the entire comment. Mods and admins can remove egregious content.
This is part of the issue here - these tools are designed on the understanding that at some point admin tools will need to scale up to deal with much more activity.
No, if someone opposed communism - they’d be justified, in their mind, to consider the lemmy devs as “deplorable”, right?
Anti-communism is itself deplorable. If someone was a Flat Earther, that doesn’t justify hating us round-Earthers, it just explains their hatred. I don’t think anti-communism is genuinely justifiable, certainly not the racist degree Rimu takes it to.
This is part of the issue here - these tools are designed on the understanding that at some point admin tools will need to scale up to deal with much more activity.
Blocking comments outright for phrases, rather than filtering them, is pretty extreme.
I didn’t say they hated you. I assume you don’t personally hate capitalists, yet you consider it “deplorable” - right? I am saying would someone, if they despise communism - be justified in considering the Lemmy devs “deplorable” for it?
Again, this function isn’t used right now. It could be to mitigate people hurling slurs in the future though if deemed necessary.
I do hate capital owners, yes, for the most part. I also think liberals have deplorable views as well. I don’t think Flat-Earthers are justified in their views just like I don’t think liberals are justified in theirs. I can understand why they have their views, just like Flat Earthers, but that doesn’t justify them.
I do think nutomic’s transphobia is deplorable too, but I know that dessalines isn’t transphobic and Lemmy is a safe haven for queer people like myself.
The fact that the tools aren’t used right now doesn’t mean they won’t be, and I don’t see why slurs don’t just need to be filtered instead of blocking the comment outright. Abusers can be banned.
So if Rimu was not on record of making those comments, you would still call him deplorable? That’s what I am trying to get at here.
So you don’t oppose any actual admin tools then (other than the default federation blacklist)? Just the reputation system - which isn’t currently an admin tool.
If Rimu was merely an anti-communist alone, that would still be deplorable in my view, yes, it just so happens that Rimu takes it to racist levels.
I oppose things baked into PieFed, like the abusable block system and the fact that phrases can block entire comments, etc. You’re getting hung up on admin tools when I’m speaking about broader issues I have with PieFed. PieFed isn’t for me, but it’s for other people, and that’s okay.
Okay then, so then it’s acceptable presumably for people to regard lemmy.ml owners in the same way if they were so inclined.
The filter system isn’t even active anywhere to my knowledge. It’s a tool some instance admins could use if they wanted to. Tbh, I don’t see the problem in theory if they wanted to block people from slurring (for example).
Define “acceptable.” I don’t think communist views are deplorable, nor do I think opposing racism is deplorable. If someone expresses deplorable right-wing views, then that itself is bad, not simply having views.
Slurs can be filtered without needing to block the entire comment. Mods and admins can remove egregious content.
No, if someone opposed communism - they’d be justified, in their mind, to consider the lemmy devs as “deplorable”, right?
This is part of the issue here - these tools are designed on the understanding that at some point admin tools will need to scale up to deal with much more activity.
Anti-communism is itself deplorable. If someone was a Flat Earther, that doesn’t justify hating us round-Earthers, it just explains their hatred. I don’t think anti-communism is genuinely justifiable, certainly not the racist degree Rimu takes it to.
Blocking comments outright for phrases, rather than filtering them, is pretty extreme.
I didn’t say they hated you. I assume you don’t personally hate capitalists, yet you consider it “deplorable” - right? I am saying would someone, if they despise communism - be justified in considering the Lemmy devs “deplorable” for it?
Again, this function isn’t used right now. It could be to mitigate people hurling slurs in the future though if deemed necessary.
I do hate capital owners, yes, for the most part. I also think liberals have deplorable views as well. I don’t think Flat-Earthers are justified in their views just like I don’t think liberals are justified in theirs. I can understand why they have their views, just like Flat Earthers, but that doesn’t justify them.
I do think nutomic’s transphobia is deplorable too, but I know that dessalines isn’t transphobic and Lemmy is a safe haven for queer people like myself.
The fact that the tools aren’t used right now doesn’t mean they won’t be, and I don’t see why slurs don’t just need to be filtered instead of blocking the comment outright. Abusers can be banned.
Okay, but we are talking about from their perspective. How you feel about liberals is how many liberals feel about communists.
Because of administration by scale. Are you against any kind of automation when it comes to moderating, administration and content curation?