I do hate capital owners, yes, for the most part. I also think liberals have deplorable views as well. I don’t think Flat-Earthers are justified in their views just like I don’t think liberals are justified in theirs. I can understand why they have their views, just like Flat Earthers, but that doesn’t justify them.
I do think nutomic’s transphobia is deplorable too, but I know that dessalines isn’t transphobic and Lemmy is a safe haven for queer people like myself.
The fact that the tools aren’t used right now doesn’t mean they won’t be, and I don’t see why slurs don’t just need to be filtered instead of blocking the comment outright. Abusers can be banned.
I don’t think views are justified simply by being from a certain perspective. Racism, for example, is never justified, even if we can understand where it came from.
I’m not against automation, slur filters are automated and work well.
Yes, from your perspective. You are a communist and so endorse communism. Liberals obviously hold a fundamentally different perspective and might refuse to either use Lemmy, donate to Lemmy or use or interact on certain lemmy instances because of it.
Then what’s the problem here? It’s just a unused word filter that blocks posts or comments if enabled.
From a racist’s perspective, they obviously think lesser of other ethnicities. Do you consider this “justified?” That’s my point, I don’t consider liberalism justifiable, but just like racism I can logically follow how these views form.
As for the blocking of entire comments feature, my issue is that I don’t see it fixing anything that the slur filter doesn’t already fix, and is far more abuseable.
No, I don’t view racism as justifiable. But in terms of communism, I don’t view it as inherently deplorable - nor view all communists the same. Same with liberals. Some people can be justified, others less so.
If an instance decided to block perfectly agreeable terms, then their reputation would tank and they would likely get mass defederated.
Disengage, this conversation is running in circles and is impossible for anyone to follow. We aren’t going to agree and we aren’t going to come to a mutual understanding.
Based on how Lemmy.world has given their views on why they defederated Hexbear and Grad, I don’t think this is unreasonable to expect PieFed instances to behave at all.
We are well beyond max comment depth, no need to continue. We aren’t going to agree.
I think defederation reasons are different things entirely than hypothetical word filters for users. I don’t know if an instance would get defederated for adding weird terms to their word filter, but I don’t think it would do them any favours.
“Death to America,” “China is socialist,” etc. are all possibilities I can see to try to “curb tankie influence,” but these are obviously hypotheticals and don’t currently exist. That’s why I’m saying a slur filter is fine.
An anti-communist word filter may very well be supported by liberals, but I wouldn’t consider this justifiable. I don’t see why you believe you can fully seperate Rimu’s views from a project he has already inserted his views into.
PieFed has use cases for certain people, but not for me.
You are outnumbered on the Fediverse. Most people here do not like Hexbear and Lemmygrad and consider the blocking of those instances justifiable.
I’m aware, just like flat Earthers consider blocking “round-Earthers” justifiable. That doesn’t mean being the majority opinion automatically justifies it, just like slavery being the majority position in the Statesian south didn’t justify it.
So we’re on the same page with racism being unjustifable even if we can follow how it originates, perfect. I view liberalism in a similar light, it’s logically unjustifiable and rests on idealism and metaphysics.
If an instance decided to block perfectly agreeable terms, then their reputation would tank and they would likely get mass defederated.
This isn’t true in practice, though. Lemmy.world blocking Hexbear and Lemmygrad.ml is unreasonable, and their reputation did tank among leftists because of it, but it doesn’t result in mass defederation. What people believe to be perfectly agreeable is different depending on ideological stance.
So it’s automatically wrong in your mind that some people don’t want to use and/or support Lemmy?
You are outnumbered on the Fediverse. Most people here do not like Hexbear and Lemmygrad and consider the blocking of those instances justifiable. An instance blocking the use of specific terms within their instance would possibly get defederated if widely considered justifiable.
I do hate capital owners, yes, for the most part. I also think liberals have deplorable views as well. I don’t think Flat-Earthers are justified in their views just like I don’t think liberals are justified in theirs. I can understand why they have their views, just like Flat Earthers, but that doesn’t justify them.
I do think nutomic’s transphobia is deplorable too, but I know that dessalines isn’t transphobic and Lemmy is a safe haven for queer people like myself.
The fact that the tools aren’t used right now doesn’t mean they won’t be, and I don’t see why slurs don’t just need to be filtered instead of blocking the comment outright. Abusers can be banned.
Okay, but we are talking about from their perspective. How you feel about liberals is how many liberals feel about communists.
Because of administration by scale. Are you against any kind of automation when it comes to moderating, administration and content curation?
I don’t think views are justified simply by being from a certain perspective. Racism, for example, is never justified, even if we can understand where it came from.
I’m not against automation, slur filters are automated and work well.
Yes, from your perspective. You are a communist and so endorse communism. Liberals obviously hold a fundamentally different perspective and might refuse to either use Lemmy, donate to Lemmy or use or interact on certain lemmy instances because of it.
Then what’s the problem here? It’s just a unused word filter that blocks posts or comments if enabled.
From a racist’s perspective, they obviously think lesser of other ethnicities. Do you consider this “justified?” That’s my point, I don’t consider liberalism justifiable, but just like racism I can logically follow how these views form.
As for the blocking of entire comments feature, my issue is that I don’t see it fixing anything that the slur filter doesn’t already fix, and is far more abuseable.
No, I don’t view racism as justifiable. But in terms of communism, I don’t view it as inherently deplorable - nor view all communists the same. Same with liberals. Some people can be justified, others less so.
If an instance decided to block perfectly agreeable terms, then their reputation would tank and they would likely get mass defederated.
Disengage, this conversation is running in circles and is impossible for anyone to follow. We aren’t going to agree and we aren’t going to come to a mutual understanding.
Based on how Lemmy.world has given their views on why they defederated Hexbear and Grad, I don’t think this is unreasonable to expect PieFed instances to behave at all.
We are well beyond max comment depth, no need to continue. We aren’t going to agree.
Behave? Huh?
I think defederation reasons are different things entirely than hypothetical word filters for users. I don’t know if an instance would get defederated for adding weird terms to their word filter, but I don’t think it would do them any favours.
“Death to America,” “China is socialist,” etc. are all possibilities I can see to try to “curb tankie influence,” but these are obviously hypotheticals and don’t currently exist. That’s why I’m saying a slur filter is fine.
I don’t think that would be seen as justifiable at all.
An anti-communist word filter may very well be supported by liberals, but I wouldn’t consider this justifiable. I don’t see why you believe you can fully seperate Rimu’s views from a project he has already inserted his views into.
What words would you have in mind that might be supported here?
Commenting here because depth max is reached.
PieFed has use cases for certain people, but not for me.
I’m aware, just like flat Earthers consider blocking “round-Earthers” justifiable. That doesn’t mean being the majority opinion automatically justifies it, just like slavery being the majority position in the Statesian south didn’t justify it.
I didn’t say you should use Piefed.
Okay? But yet a bizarre word filter on an instance would not be considered justifiable most likely.
So we’re on the same page with racism being unjustifable even if we can follow how it originates, perfect. I view liberalism in a similar light, it’s logically unjustifiable and rests on idealism and metaphysics.
This isn’t true in practice, though. Lemmy.world blocking Hexbear and Lemmygrad.ml is unreasonable, and their reputation did tank among leftists because of it, but it doesn’t result in mass defederation. What people believe to be perfectly agreeable is different depending on ideological stance.
So it’s automatically wrong in your mind that some people don’t want to use and/or support Lemmy?
You are outnumbered on the Fediverse. Most people here do not like Hexbear and Lemmygrad and consider the blocking of those instances justifiable. An instance blocking the use of specific terms within their instance would possibly get defederated if widely considered justifiable.