• تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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    The West has been obsessed with toppling the Iranian government since 1979. All their claims about concern for human rights are exposed as lies by their support for the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Palestine. It is hegemony and they can’t accept a government that is not subservient to their ambitions in the region.

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      By publicly backing the protesters the us put a target on them. They are pawns to sacrifice to get more endless war.

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      And a regime that gives gay people the death sentence and murders protestors ist any better? Iran needs a government that doesn’t suck up to the US but also treats it’s citizens well. It isn’t black and white where you either defend the current regime or support a US controlled one. You can have neither.

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        Because US/Western regime changes always, always result in society in that country progressing, right? Never gets worse for anyone especially not minority groups, that would be un-American.

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          I don’t see where they ever said they supported a US intervention. Please show it.

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        Iran needs a government that doesn’t suck up to the US but also treats it’s citizens well.

        Indeed, and that’s not something you can force upon them from the outaide. At some point a country’s people are (at least to a degree) responsible for how their coubtry is ran and by whom.

        Outside onfluence almost never works and always exploits the country in some way.

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        Israel/US would just like to destroy Iran rather than improve it. It’s not a recipe for accepting input from them.

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        ever heard of saudi arabia?

        they too give gay people the death sentence and murder protestor and they’re allies of the united state.

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            it proves that you only give af when this double standard is applied to our political enemies, but don’t care when it’s an ally.

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              It proves you don’t give a shit about queer people and think it’s okay for Iran to kill queer people just because Saudi Arabia does it. Both countries governments suck.

              And when did I ever say I support the US or Israel even though I don’t?

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                i’m a queer that cares about queer people everywhere.

                if you truly dont support the US, then you need to stop spreading support for an attack on iran. it’s easy to see that you did so unwittingly, but that is the impact is the same intentional or not and pink washing is a favorite tool that the US & isreal uses to manufacture support for regime change.

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                  Also I never wrote that I support a US attack on Iran. Please quote me where I supposedly said that.

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                    the US attack in stages and the first two stages are always manufacturing consent within the US (which includes pink washing and labeling the target regime as authoritarian) and fostering civil unrest (usually through sanctions & helping the target regime’s opposition).

                    these protests are the first stages of a US attack and supporting these protests is supporting the US in it’s goal to force a regime change.

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                  I support the protests in Iran, not a US intervention in Iran. I support regime change in Iran since an Islamic theocracy will always victimize queer people, but without US intervention.

                  How about you stop jumping to conclusions?

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                    the protests are the start of the US intervention and there is no conclusion jumping here.

                    the US has been using this same playbook for the last century. it only works because people chose to be willfully ignorant about it and falls apart at the slightly critical thought.

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          Who said I support the US? Also whataboutism doesn’t excuse killing queer people, regardless if it is Saudi Arabia or Iran.

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        The West is executing thousdsnds of little children by sniping them in the head. If you want to actually seriously do the moral comparison then yes Iran is better.

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          Why do you think that is a standard Iran should abide by? “But x is doing worse” is not an excuse for crimes against civilians.

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            Why are people pretending like rioting terrorists with shotguns and AK’s are now innocent civilians? The videos we’ve seen of large marches show the Iranian government was pretty lenient until the Israeli backed rioters started setting buildings and people on fire and shooting at the police.

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              How do you know the people with guns aren’t plain clothes cops trying to escalate violence and delegitimize protestors like they do in Western countries?

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                Because Iran knows they will be demonized for any violence so the likelihood that they are Mossad agents shooting at both cops and protesters to escalate the violence on both sides is infinitely higher.

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                  What if both possibilities were accurate and there were some Mossad agents among the mix because geopolitics and cops were in the mix to delegitimize protestors?

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                    Israel: “We did it. We smuggled guns to arm terrorist groups in Iran which killed the police during the riots”

                    You: BoTh SiDeS??

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        You can have neither.

        Not through the current Mossad sponsored protests.

        And a regime that gives gay people the death sentence and murders protestors ist any better?

        Better have the Mossad and its agents destroy the country and make it worse for everyone, not just homosexuals. May you be cursed with one.

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            How many fucking countries does the West have to turn into permanent failed states with the excuse of “improving the conditions” before you people stop falling for it? You already destroyed Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and plenty more besides, now you need to destroy Iran too?

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            You are literally saying “who cares about homosexuals” by using Israel as an excuse to support Hamas who throws gays off roofs. Fascist.

            Try harder, fed.

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            Crazy how the only queers liberals won’t throw under the bus are the ones they want to murder from the air