“There are 15 million illegal aliens,” Miller said adding that “if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries”
White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a video that went viral on Friday that undocumented immigrants are not entitled to due process protections when being removed from the United States, arguing that providing full legal proceedings would make deportations unworkable.
“There are 15 million illegal aliens,” Miller said. “If each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries. They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed.”
Supreme Court precedent has long held that constitutional protections apply to noncitizens within U.S. territory. In Wong Wing v. United States (1896), the Court ruled that the Fifth Amendment’s due process clause protects noncitizens from arbitrary detention or punishment.
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Let’s say ICE sees you this afternoon.
They declare you an “illegal alien” and take you into custody before sending you to an overseas prison with no trial and no options for you to talk to anyone not in holding with you…
How the ever loving fuck does someone prove they’re actually citizen before they’re shipped out of the country?
This guy managed twice already.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/10/03/us-citizen-detained-immigration-agents-sues-dhs/86479653007/
Due process protections are still mostly in place, which is why he’s still there and able to file a lawsuit. Without them, as Miller seems to be advocating, they might have simply decided his ID was fake and deported him.
They’re doing that now and have been doing it…
The reason there’s an article about that guy, is because they didn’t just disappear him.
The fact that it doesn’t happen 100%, doesn’t mean it happens 0%.
That’s basic logic
He seems to be advocating no due process for people that entered with no due process, not no due process for everyone…
Without due process, he could just accuse anyone of having entered illegally and deny them any chance to prove otherwise, including checking their documentation
And how does one determine whether someone entered with due process?
Due process is a right that is either offered to all or none. There is no in-between.
… they check the person’s name/identity/documents… that’s how you know if the person is legal or not…
That’s called a part of due process, you dizzy fuck
Who checks? A judge? Krisi Noem?
You’re not getting this.
Are you saying people are being deported without getting their identity checked?
Yes
Absolutely.
Tangentially related is the story of Mahmoud Khalil, who was here completely legally on a green card. He wasn’t quite deported, but he was put through hell despite doing nothing wrong.
Listening to this would do you good.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/876/bigger-than-me
Edit: The first part is about soccer and can be skipped, though it is entertaining.
There are citizens that have come to the United States legally that are being deported without due process. Yes that is happening.
Who checks?
Who makes sure the person checking doesn’t have a reason to lie about the person’s legal status?
How many people are checking?
What steps should be given if someone isn’t able to provide paper work within 2 micro seconds of an ice agent looking at you?
What about the overwhelming majority of people that took legal steps to move to the US (as in actually following due process unlike the made up lies would indicate) but something out of their control happens like Trump decides he doesn’t like the country they came from
Or they are actively on their way to getting full citizenship but ice abducts them anyway?
My god how are people this stupid.
This statement is coming from a man who has overseen the deportation of countless documented immigrants and even citizens. It would be incredibly naive to trust DHS to oversee this with no oversight even without that context. But with it, this is full on delusional. Seriously, how do people end up like this? I don’t get it. The average grade school student could see this is a bad idea but even after having it explained multiple ways you still can’t grasp basic concepts of how government works.
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No he didn’t.
Both times they eventually let him go before taking him anywhere.
Did you even read it first, or did you read it and just not understand what’s happening?
But as he is documented and has an ID, even though they claimed it could be false, they had to check and then released him.
Were there cases of actually documented/legal immigrants being deported? I saw about undocumented children that would technically be citizens for being born in the USA but had no documents to prove it so they were deported alongside parents… I’m not judging the morality of it, but if people that had “due process” to enter are getting “due process” when detained, then the deputy statement is not contradictory.
No they didn’t.
They did check, thought it was real, and release him…
But that’s not always what happens, and still isn’t “due process”, which at this point I’m sure you don’t know what it actually means.
What are you talking about?
Do you legitimately think that because one person didn’t get the worst possible result, no one does?
If you heard someone drove drunk without getting a DUI, would you suddenly start telling everyone no one can get a DUI and driving drunk is safe because that one drunk didn’t cause an accident?
I just asked it. I’m not from the USA, I don’t follow your news. I know illegals aren’t getting due process because there was quite a coverage of the first batch of deportees we received back in January. They were all chained and humiliated, and the way they were treated caused a diplomatic ruckus. However, I haven’t heard about actual citizens being deported (but again, I don’t really follow your news). As I said, I myself have relatives living in the USA, and of course the first thing I asked them was how things were there with ICE and shit, but they didn’t mention being harassed or anything. Well, one is blue-eyed, so she is probably not getting racially profiled, but the other looks latina af - but she is also an army medic and probably carries some army ID in case she is stopped by ICE or something.
You think what you’re doing is asking questions?
You literally haven’t used a single question mark once…
You don’t fucking understand any of what is happening, but you keep insisting that you know more. Even now that you’re finally admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about, you immediately go back to insisting you’re right
Despite me and others explaining over and over again what you’re not understanding.
Just why?
What the fuck are you trying to do here if you admit you’re ignorant but refuse to listen to anyone?
You just keep repeating far right talking points over and over again.
Guy says illegals won’t be getting due process, reaction is that everyone won’t be getting due process, I say that’s not what he said and ask if that’s happening (no one getting due process)… everyone mad as fuck lol
The problem with denying due process to any group is that it can then be denied to anyone simply by claiming they’re a member of that group. The implications are horrifying; the government could deport anyone it wants even if they’re a citizen with ample proof that they are because the opportunity to show that proof is what the law means when it guarantees the right to due process.
People are frustrated because you don’t seem to acknowledge this problem.