• billwashere@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 hour ago

    If there isn’t some law created to stop these quid pro quo pardons then the presidential pardons should be removed.

    • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      9 hours ago

      I never really understood WHY the president got to pardon people if the idea behind america is that nobody is above justice there. I mean i know its a LIE, but like lie better.

      • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        edit-2
        6 hours ago

        The purpose is, ostensibly, to prevent some form of miscarriage of justice or an over harsh sentencing. Think the guy who they tried to charge with a felony for harmlessly throwing a sandwich at a federal officer, if they had managed to convict instead of failing to even get an indictment. Or it could also be used to retroactively forgive people convicted of breaking a law that has since been overturned. Like if they decriminalize weed possession, those already convicted while the law was in place don’t automatically get their sentences overturned.

        But it is a power that should be rarely needed, judiciously applied, and have sensible guardrails on it. But the founders were confident that the people wouldnt elect self centered autocrats, that congress and the courts wouldn’t be filled with sycophants, opportunists, and cowards, and that the public wouldn’t stand for blatant corrupt uses of presidential powers. But here we are.

        Frankly, if we can’t stop blatantly corrupt abuse of the pardon powers or even have basic limitations on it (like no self pardons) then that power should be amended out of the constitution.

        • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 hours ago

          Many of the founders of the USA were themselves self centred autocrats so I’m not entirely certain that the system isn’t working exactly as intended.

      • madcaesar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        8 hours ago

        There are good reasons, but those reasons only exist in some utopia once in a lifetime bullshit crap, like pardoning draft dodgers for Vietnam.

        Apart from that it seems its always been used for absolute bullshit

        • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          7 hours ago

          I didn’t even know that Carter did that. Fucking good. Drafting people into such an overtly bullshit war was straight up evil.

    • pheonixdown@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      33
      ·
      9 hours ago

      More or less the same reason jury nullification exists, just concentrated on executive leadership. The problem isn’t that it exists, the problem is the bribery and ethical issues. Theoretically, if the executive is abusing the power, the legislature is supposed to remove them, but since we no longer operate in a system where that will happen… Here we are.

      • fizzle@quokk.au
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        3 hours ago

        Jury nullification doesn’t exist by intentional design.

        Its simply a function of not being able to prosecute jurors for their decisions.

        I guess its similar to pardons in that the system is based on the assumption that no one would abuse these caveats.

  • Ininewcrow@piefed.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    10 hours ago

    Sounds more like a Christmas special for oligarchs … that’s a pretty cheap price for a billionaire.