I clicked on this thinking it was a picture of a stick of ram
I would like yo see one for victims of capitalism
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I’ve had this thing hanging out for years and NOTHING. If you humans could stop bashing each other with sticks and screaming at each other about bathrooms long enough to build a proper ship to go out and socialize, we can find more civilized planets and just do drugs and laugh and laugh about stupid little green pieces of paper.
That’s the neat part, you’re already in it!
Tbf, i dont think they could name all of the African American slaves or the millions killed in the DRC.
You know the drill: Ukrainian starvation genocide = crime of communism.
When the Turkish capitalist empire does the same to Armenians, that’s just one of those things. Feels kinds commie though.
I never count the many crimes of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao as crimes of communism. Because Lenin betrayed the revolution and had the actual communists arrested so that he could cement his totalitarian dictatorship.
He lost the November 1917 election, and threw a hissy fit that caused a civil war.
Which started a long line of dictators pretending to be communists, pretending that communism requires a dictatorship.
If the State owns everything, and has police that will kill you for speaking out, then you don’t live under communism, you live under feudalism in a coat of red paint.
You have been banned from .ml
Actually… Yes, but only for saying that Julian Assange isn’t a hero to be worshiped.
He had a good idea, but his ties to Russia taint everything.
Per the fact that he’s repeatedly turned down leaks critical of Russia.
There’s a certain type of person who strongly believes in binaries. They rightly see that the US is shit, and somehow believe that makes anyone who “stands up to the US” automatically good.
It’s half of the Tankie mentality. The other half is actively cheering for dictators and the murder of “non-conformists”, whatever shape they take.
On a final note, https://ddosecrets.com/ is what WikiLeaks looks like with protections for innocents mentioned in the leaks.
WikiLeaks has such a policy, but have leaked names of activists and whistleblowers several times now.
Dude did you just seriously call Ottoman Empire capitalist?
They had private enterprise. So, In what way were they not capitalist? Imperial colonial economies are capitalist, by nature.
What is mercantilism but proto-capitalism?
There are museums for African American history which have exhibits about slavery and its victims, if you’re interested. https://www.wonderfulmuseums.com/museum/slavery-museums-in-the-united-states/
Maybe instead of people, naming the major massacres
Visit a graveyard
You can even cut costs by installing a mirror
star dot star
That only includes people with a dot in their name.
Will.i .am is a bastard
Also, Stephen Harper, the prime minister responsible for this thing, said it would be paid entirely with private donations. Well, that was a lie, so now tax dollars are funding the thing. Which means some of my money went to this horseshit.
Don’t worry! A good portion is still private:
Organisations which are known to have been founded by and/or are apologists for Nazi collaborators and war criminals also committed substantial funding.
The symbolism is hilarious.
Bunch of mouth-foaming rightwing ideologues spending all their political capital on a monument directly implying that there are no victims of communism.
The General Committee of United Croats of Canada dedicated its contribution to Ante Pavelić, who led the Nazi puppet regime in occupied Croatia in the former Yugoslavia, where around 32,000 Jews, 25,000 Roma and 330,000 Serbs were murdered by the regime. The same organisation purchased a brick dedicated to Mile Budak, a high-ranking official in Croatia’s fascist Ustaše organisation, whom it identified simply as a poet.
Of course it was anti Yugoslavia Balkan bullshit. Chetniks(if you’re a Serb expat) and Ustaše(if you’re a croat expat) did nothing wrong if your ideology must delegitimize the idea of a multicultural Yugoslav state.
Should be victims of authoritarianism
If you visit Eastern Europe, you’ll find a lot of museums which reflect on the double disaster of Nazi occupation for years followed by Communist occupation for decades.
For now. If the trend continues across the globe those museums will be treated the way the US has been treating it’s “never forget” monuments, holidays and classroom curriculums.
Those Eastern European countries faced the ultimate rock-and-a-hard-place situation; side with the Nazis, side with Stalin, or get crushed by both (and whichever one you “sided” with wouldn’t treat you particularly well either). And they had to pick sides without knowing what the judgment of history would be.
Honestly, a rare situation where some Nazi collaborators deserve an “it was complicated” footnote, IMO. Though that’s a bit much to ask for on a stone monument like this.
It was really not that hard a choice. People seem to forget the Nazis murdered millions of Slavs.
Re-quoting from my comment:
And they had to pick sides without knowing what the judgment of history would be.
Emphasis added. They were making the choice without the benefit of that Wikipedia page from 2025 to refer to.
And Stalin was right up there with Hitler in terms of total kill-count, which is why it was a rock-and-a-hard-place situation. There was no good option available.
When one option is live under a brutal dictator and the other option is have your ethnicity wiped off the face of the Earth, there isn’t really an option, is there? The German attempt to eliminate the Slavs was not theoretical. They were massacring people in territories they occupied throughout the war. Even the vast majority of Ukrainians, who had more reason than most to hate the USSR, still picked up arms for them against the Nazis because the Nazis were just that bad.
And Stalin was right up there with Hitler in terms of total kill-count, BTW.
Basically every death in the European Theatre of WW2 can be directly blamed on Hitler and the Nazis for starting the whole thing so I have trouble believing this. I don’t know if you heard but that was a lot of people.
When one option is live under a brutal dictator and the other option is have your ethnicity wiped off the face of the Earth, there isn’t really an option, is there?
You’re still missing the point. The people living there, at that time, didn’t know what those options would ultimately lead to. They didn’t have the benefit of hindsight. And even if they did, they were right there at that moment in time, having to make decisions that would determine if they survived one more day.
Basically every death in the European Theatre of WW2 can be directly blamed on Hitler and the Nazis for starting the whole thing
Poor Stalin, I guess he had absolutely no choice in all the massacring that he did. Hitler made him do it.
I recently read my German grandma’s memoirs. During the war she signed up to help in Nazi occupied Minsk. Of course for the Nazis “help” meant ensuring the local newspaper printed propaganda. And beforehand they were instructed to be harsh with the “dumb Russians”.
She once got into trouble because one serial story in the newspaper tended towards a revolutionary message. Apparently the translator didn’t care for the story so he stopped reading it and just let it get printed as he received it. At least that was his official excuse.
Anyways, of course she grew closer to some of the locals. And of course not every single one of them could help with sabotaging the occupiers. So it was extra sad when she eventually had to flee from the approaching Russian army (a day after the officers loudly proclaimed at a Nazi party that they were about to win the war) and had to live with the knowledge that the Russian’s she left behind were all likely to be executed as collaborators.
She couldn’t take them with her because the Nazis would likely kill them for being Russian. Or at the very least put them into concentration camps. And she already knew they were bad, just not how bad.
My dad had a Latvian friend in his youth, and dad would tell me about how sometimes when they’d had a bit much to drink he’d tell stories about fighting on the front lines in Latvia. For the Germans, against the Russians. He was by absolutely no means a Nazi supporter, but he had to weigh the options and try to figure out which one was less likely to end with him and his family lying dead in a ditch somewhere.
It really sucks that Latvia didn’t regain independence until 1991. I hope he lived long enough to see that.
Yes, especially now that an actual war is making the case for non-Russian nationalism in eastern Europe. Historically that’s where the funding has come from IIRC.
Why do we have monuments for victims of communism and not monuments for victims of capitalism?
Because capitalism is the normal order of things going back for millennia.
This must be sarcasm.
Millennia? Fuck off. Capitalism in itself is barely a few hundred years old. Use of a designated tender (money) is NOT capitalism.
Then what is it?
Seriously, people use a million definitions, and unlike with socialism tend to slide between them fluidly.
There’s a pretty clear description:
Capitalism is an economic system where private individuals or corporations own the means of production (like factories, land, and resources) and operate them for profit, driven by market competition and supply/demand with minimal government interference, emphasizing private property, capital accumulation, and wage labor to generate wealth and economic growth.
Emphasis mine.
But yeah, the primary goal of capitalism is to extract as much wealth (“profit”) as possible while reducing the number of people that wealth/profit benefits.
Up until the industrial revolution, almost all means of production was in the hands of the upper class (as per European/British definition of the term) - landed gentries, landowners, and the aristocracy (the three groups generally overlapping). The revolution itself allowed certain people to climb the social class ladder and become business owners (prior to that, most businesses were traders, merchants) and set up factories to manufacture much needed items.
So up until that point, capitalism as a system didn’t really exist, not even in the US (up until that time, most of the US were private landowners who just wanted to eke out a life for themselves on new land, sans gold rushes and such). In fact I’d argue that the capitalist mindset of the US didn’t really kick in until WW1, or rather, the handful of wars preceding it, mostly in Africa and South America, which provided an opportunity for US weapons makers to grow the industry beyond the country - and it really kicked off during WW1, then got raised to new heights in WW2.
Also, an integral part of capitalism is the beneficiaries lying to those who actually produce the value, the wealth, the profit, to keep them in line. One such lie is that capitalism existed for millennia, when in reality, the true forn of capitalism is mere 100-150 years old.
(To be clear, you’re not wrong that it’s always distinguished from earlier systems by people who know the debate)
It seems like that description shows just how vague the term is. It starts with private ownership of the means of production, but then pivots into supply/demand and minimal government intervention as a driver, and lists three additional emphases on top of that.
You can focus on profit, but nobles were all about that too - they needed to fund all the expensive stuff for warfare and subjugation, and sometimes they did go broke and have to marry a rich commoner. Europeans moved into Canada for fur pelts, and across Africa and into the Caribbean for spices. Other agrarian civilisations had their own tradable resource dramas.
The original Marx definition is at least coherent, but runs into the problem that it’s not politically useful anymore. Even among people who really hate the rich, there’s a general reluctance to have no private property.
Side note: The landed gentry saw it’s last blow into irrelevance in continental Europe around WWI, but in America the untitled rich had long dominated - think of Carnegie or Rockefeller - and Britain had it’s own system where the very rich and powerful tended to join the aristocracy.
Ah, yes. It’s the first system that freshly evolved monkeys created thousands of years ago. It must surely be the best system to stick with.
Yeah because we totally had a ruling class of billionaires exploiting a sticks and shares system in Byzantine times 🤡
So this is going to look like an empty list and that communism didn’t hurt anyone? What a waste of space and money.
The difference between the left and right is that there are victims of nazis, many in fact but there are no victims of communism. Yes the ussr, china, cuba(that thats a long story) are horrible many of them were just bad straight up, but most of them were actually not even really communist. In the ussr a new bourgeoisie and “royal family” emerged for example. Different system same shit. What the ussr and the others were are against the fundamental definition of communism.
