MAGA never really liked Catholics anyway. They only liked their votes, because these same bishops have turned many US Catholics into single-issue voters on Abortion, which directly enabled the current Federal assault on these immigrant parishioners. Most of MAGA is Protestant and Evangelical, and sees Catholicism as only a step or two removed from a cult.
And you know how the article references that this is the first “special statement” that the bishops released in 12 years? I looked it up, that statement 12 years ago was railing against the HHS mandate to fund contraception, in the name of “religious freedom”.
It is tragic what is happening to their parishioners right now, but the bishops can only blame themselves. They directly advocated for politicians who are now actively targeting their people.
The US has never really been friendly to Catholics as a whole. Jfk was the first Catholic president, and a fear at the time was that the pope would have undue influence. The KKK also went after non-protestants.
It is tragic what is happening to their parishioners right now, but the bishops can only blame themselves. They directly advocated for politicians who are now actively targeting their people.
Tell me you don’t understand Catholicism without telling me you don’t understand Catholicism. If there is any Christian church that doesn’t advocate for specific politicians it’s the Catholic Church.
The special message from the U.S. bishops has no call to action outside of calling for care, well treatment and prayer for immigrants in the U.S.
I can tell you exactly how this special message will impact church going American Catholics. The Sunday mass following the message will include in its Prayer Intentions something like “we join the call of the U.S. bishops to recognize the humanity in all people, regardless of immigration status. We pray to the Lord”, and the parishioners will reply whether listening or not “Lord hear our prayer.”
After debate last year about whether Communion should be denied to Catholics who support abortion rights, including politicians, U.S. bishops decided not to implement such a policy and instead urged Catholics veering from church teachings to refrain from taking Communion
Wikipedia
In 2008, a minority of American bishops supported denying communion to pro-abortion rights Catholic legislators … These statements of intent from church authorities have sometimes led American Catholic voters to vote for candidates who wish to ban abortion… While there was thus disagreement among the bishops about the opportuneness of refusing the Eucharist to Catholic politicians promoting legalization of abortion, there was unanimity regarding the moral obligation of Catholic politicians who participate in what their Church considers a seriously sinful action to refrain from going to Communion
My takeaway is some Catholics may have been influenced by the opinion of individual bishops, but the church has been quick and consistent in its messaging that in regard to abortion and communion their request is: if you had an abortion, please don’t take communion if you haven’t confessed and asked for forgiveness. (This is the same request they’d ask for what they’d consider any mortal sin.)
It certainly doesn’t seem to suggest the Church is advocating for specific politicians, like my comment you originally replied to mentions.
Yep. It’s a shame people don’t understand that. Actually conservative viewpoints have been long gone from politics. I believe it was Michael Malice who said it–“conservatism is just progressivism driving the speed limit”.
Conservatism today is a complete misnomer and just shilling for the traditional religious folk. MAGA does nothing but play on those heart strings and they’re still able to lull in so many religious citizens.
I tend to think of and describe myself as a conservative, but don’t align myself with the Republican party at all (I am registered to vote Republican to try to weed out the worst of their lunatics in the primaries, but it’s gonna be a cold day in hell before I vote for one in a general election with the way things are going)
In my view, which absolutely isn’t the view of the Republicans or conservatives as a whole, the point of conservatism is to just pump the breaks and slow things down to make sure all the "I"s are dotted and "t"s crossed to make sure things are actually going to work as intended.
Liberals/leftists/progressives should basically be the “idea guys” coming up with big general plans for what they want to happen
Then the conservatives would be sort of the bean-counters/logistics/nuts-and-bolts sort of guys. They shouldn’t be there to outright oppose the liberal ideas, they’re there to point out the problems with their plans and make sure they’re addressed before we commit to some half-assed plan.
It is tragic what is happening to their parishioners right now, but the bishops can only blame themselves.
No shortage of liberal bishops who promoted like-minded candidates. Everyone from John Kerry to Joe Biden got a healthy windfall of support from the Catholic community at-large. As a consequence, Dems have historically been very squirrely on their support/opposition to abortion, with “Pro-Life” Democrats being a significant chunk of the elected bureaucracy.
The biggest opposition to ACA in the first two years was from these very Democrats - folks who twisted and squirmed at the prospect of extending the wrong kind of health care to the wrong kind of people. This wasn’t a “Catholics brought this on themselves by electing Republicans”, it was “Democrats allowed misogyny to fester within its party under the cover of the Catholic vote”.
In the same way, Democrats have historically demonstrated a chronic unkindness to migrants and their families whenever they saw an electoral advantage in kicking people while they were down. This dates back to the Clinton Era of the 90s, when Bill ran to the right of Bush Sr on immigration and won California on the anti-Mexico vote. Catholics who were staunchly pro-immigration ran around backing migrant-friendly(ish) Republicans like Bush, Rubio, Romney, and Kasich only to get their backsides blown out by Trumpism.
In 1933, Hitler signed the Reichskonkordat (Reich Concordat), a treaty with the Vatican that required the regime to honour the independence of Catholic institutions and prohibited clergy from involvement in politics. However, the regime continued to target the Christian churches to weaken their influence.
Throughout 1935 and 1936, hundreds of clergy and nuns were arrested, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or sexual offences.
LOL “trumped up charges”.
Goebbels widely publicised the trials in his propaganda campaigns, showing the cases in the worst possible light. Restrictions were placed on public meetings, and Catholic publications faced censorship. Catholic schools were required to reduce religious instruction and crucifixes were removed from state buildings. Hitler often vacillated on whether or not the Kirchenkampf (church struggle) should be a priority, but his frequent inflammatory comments on the issue were enough to convince Goebbels to intensify his work on the issue.
In February 1937 he stated he wanted to eliminate the Protestant church.
MAGA never really liked Catholics anyway. They only liked their votes, because these same bishops have turned many US Catholics into single-issue voters on Abortion, which directly enabled the current Federal assault on these immigrant parishioners. Most of MAGA is Protestant and Evangelical, and sees Catholicism as only a step or two removed from a cult.
And you know how the article references that this is the first “special statement” that the bishops released in 12 years? I looked it up, that statement 12 years ago was railing against the HHS mandate to fund contraception, in the name of “religious freedom”.
It is tragic what is happening to their parishioners right now, but the bishops can only blame themselves. They directly advocated for politicians who are now actively targeting their people.
The US has never really been friendly to Catholics as a whole. Jfk was the first Catholic president, and a fear at the time was that the pope would have undue influence. The KKK also went after non-protestants.
Tell me you don’t understand Catholicism without telling me you don’t understand Catholicism. If there is any Christian church that doesn’t advocate for specific politicians it’s the Catholic Church.
The special message from the U.S. bishops has no call to action outside of calling for care, well treatment and prayer for immigrants in the U.S.
Special Message
I can tell you exactly how this special message will impact church going American Catholics. The Sunday mass following the message will include in its Prayer Intentions something like “we join the call of the U.S. bishops to recognize the humanity in all people, regardless of immigration status. We pray to the Lord”, and the parishioners will reply whether listening or not “Lord hear our prayer.”
Really? They have no problem publicly disciplining specific Catholic politicians over their votes
I really like the sources you provided:
NPR:
Wikipedia
My takeaway is some Catholics may have been influenced by the opinion of individual bishops, but the church has been quick and consistent in its messaging that in regard to abortion and communion their request is: if you had an abortion, please don’t take communion if you haven’t confessed and asked for forgiveness. (This is the same request they’d ask for what they’d consider any mortal sin.)
It certainly doesn’t seem to suggest the Church is advocating for specific politicians, like my comment you originally replied to mentions.
Yep. It’s a shame people don’t understand that. Actually conservative viewpoints have been long gone from politics. I believe it was Michael Malice who said it–“conservatism is just progressivism driving the speed limit”.
Conservatism today is a complete misnomer and just shilling for the traditional religious folk. MAGA does nothing but play on those heart strings and they’re still able to lull in so many religious citizens.
I tend to think of and describe myself as a conservative, but don’t align myself with the Republican party at all (I am registered to vote Republican to try to weed out the worst of their lunatics in the primaries, but it’s gonna be a cold day in hell before I vote for one in a general election with the way things are going)
In my view, which absolutely isn’t the view of the Republicans or conservatives as a whole, the point of conservatism is to just pump the breaks and slow things down to make sure all the "I"s are dotted and "t"s crossed to make sure things are actually going to work as intended.
Liberals/leftists/progressives should basically be the “idea guys” coming up with big general plans for what they want to happen
Then the conservatives would be sort of the bean-counters/logistics/nuts-and-bolts sort of guys. They shouldn’t be there to outright oppose the liberal ideas, they’re there to point out the problems with their plans and make sure they’re addressed before we commit to some half-assed plan.
No shortage of liberal bishops who promoted like-minded candidates. Everyone from John Kerry to Joe Biden got a healthy windfall of support from the Catholic community at-large. As a consequence, Dems have historically been very squirrely on their support/opposition to abortion, with “Pro-Life” Democrats being a significant chunk of the elected bureaucracy.
The biggest opposition to ACA in the first two years was from these very Democrats - folks who twisted and squirmed at the prospect of extending the wrong kind of health care to the wrong kind of people. This wasn’t a “Catholics brought this on themselves by electing Republicans”, it was “Democrats allowed misogyny to fester within its party under the cover of the Catholic vote”.
In the same way, Democrats have historically demonstrated a chronic unkindness to migrants and their families whenever they saw an electoral advantage in kicking people while they were down. This dates back to the Clinton Era of the 90s, when Bill ran to the right of Bush Sr on immigration and won California on the anti-Mexico vote. Catholics who were staunchly pro-immigration ran around backing migrant-friendly(ish) Republicans like Bush, Rubio, Romney, and Kasich only to get their backsides blown out by Trumpism.
In 1933, Hitler signed the Reichskonkordat (Reich Concordat), a treaty with the Vatican that required the regime to honour the independence of Catholic institutions and prohibited clergy from involvement in politics. However, the regime continued to target the Christian churches to weaken their influence. Throughout 1935 and 1936, hundreds of clergy and nuns were arrested, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or sexual offences.
LOL “trumped up charges”.
Goebbels widely publicised the trials in his propaganda campaigns, showing the cases in the worst possible light. Restrictions were placed on public meetings, and Catholic publications faced censorship. Catholic schools were required to reduce religious instruction and crucifixes were removed from state buildings. Hitler often vacillated on whether or not the Kirchenkampf (church struggle) should be a priority, but his frequent inflammatory comments on the issue were enough to convince Goebbels to intensify his work on the issue. In February 1937 he stated he wanted to eliminate the Protestant church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels#Church_struggle