Why should anyone care what an unironic North Korea supporter thinks about American politics?
I think he likes seeing the funny red number on his profile go up. They think red is the people’s color or something.
The Black Panther Party had close ties with the DPRK, so that’s not really unreasonable. Leftist groups historically have had support for the DPRK, especially in context of the US Empire’s attempted genocide of northern Koreans.
I don’t know anything about the black panther support of North Korea, but I also don’t really see how that’s relevant. Today, they are a repressive dictatorship. Just because they call themselves “democratic” does not mean they actually are, and just because they claim to be communist does not mean leftists should support them.
I mention the Black Panthers because they are one of the more beloved and successful leftist groups in US history, and absolutely deserve to be taken seriously. You’re right, claiming to be democratic and communist doesn’t make a group democratic nor communist, what matters is their structure. Democratically, they have approval-based voting, and 3 political parties. There are also factory councils for direct worker management. Public ownership is the principle aspect of their economy.
More than anything, their self-determination in the face of a brutal empire sanctioning them into starvation should be supported, even if you don’t agree with their structure.
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I’m not “brainwashed” for sharing the opinions of the majority of major communist parties. I’m a communist, and my views are consistent with that. The WPK has the overwhelming majority of seats, but is also popularly supported, and does not have direct control over who people vote for. These are “tankie,” sure, they’re views shared by the majority of communists and “tankie” is just a pejorative for us.
I encourage you to look into how the DPRK actually functions, as well as its inception as an indigenous movement against colonization by Japan and later the US.
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If this is what it takes to get on your hate list, then why are you here?! Youd have to add most users from this instance and our wonderful admins too because were all marxists here who dont drink the empire koolaid on DPRK 😂
Half the people on the bottom half of the image are also marxists. So I honestly have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about.
I understand your desire for change NOW but the unfortunate reality is we do not yet have the conditions for it. There’s plenty of room to criticize many of these figures on the left in the US for various things - I have plenty of smoke for them as well.
BUT while class consciousness remains nearly nonexistent in this country we must engage with the masses where they are at. We must be in the governmental structures that the masses are engaged in so we can be part of the conversation. We must run cadre candidates in elections EVEN WHEN THEY MIGHT LOSE (tactically though we only have so much capacity) so we can spread our message to more people. We must go to the trade unions and tenant unions so we are where the people closest to our movement are.
Left coms will call me a reformist for this take but it is simply a necessary evil we must contend with in the interim. Even once we take control of society we will still have to reckon with the capitalist structures we inherit. We will not be able to do away with it in one fell swoop it simply does not work this way. It will be a decidedly incremental path of dismantling them one by one so we can return power back to the working class citizen.
The primary goal MUST be a pragmatic takeover of the state by using and abusing the systems that exist today, doing what we can to expand the permissibility of our messaging until we no longer need these systems anymore. Organizing a true socialist movement that will not become subordinated to liberals (or hell even the rightist or far leftist socialist tendencies) or worse necessitates a more strategic and patient path towards global liberation and emancipation.
No no, you don’t understand, you’re only a true Marxist if you call for armed revolution. /s
Granted, I’m not well read on theory, but I missed the Marx letter to the Bavarian socialists about electoralism preventing the workers’ inevitable revolution…
You joke but I think a lot of leftists online unironically believe this.
And I’m not even saying armed revolution is necessarily off the table - but it’s certainly not what we try first or even second or third for that matter.
I will admit, we are getting onto our second or third option at this point, but people calling for armed revolution do not truly understand the impact that would have on society in the short term, and also how insanely difficult to impossible that idea actually is in modern American society. Democratic socialist ideas are only just starting to gain support now because liberalism has proven to be so ineffectual for long and it is a potential electoral path to start course correcting.
I mean, kinda? Revolution is a core part of Marxism. There are rare instances like in Chile where voting worked, but then Allende was couped by the US and Pinochet.
There are plenty of marxist rooted ideologies that eschew violence, and opt for a more electoral or direct action/mutual aid type of approach to bringing about communism.
Like what?
Democratic socialism? Libertarian socialism?
All socialism is democratic, so I assume you mean reformist socialism. Reformism has extremely specific and limited use-cases, Allende being a short-lived example. Chile was able to successfully elect a Marxist, but he was ousted in a coup. It isn’t impossible, but relying on reformism as the main strategy in all or even most cases is a significant departure from Marxist analysis of the state and its class character.
Libertarian socialism is more anarchist than anything, and has no problems with revolution. I don’t see why you bring it up.
No not all socialism is democratic. Libertarian socialism is by definition non-violent. You cannot be libertarian while also advocating for violence against others.
I noticed a difference between two sides is that one is groups that messed with local politics and the other is personalities only.
This is because most local politics, and organizing for socialism at a community level, collapsed in the last two generations.
