I’ve been told to vote for better Dems for 25 years, while they ratfuck anyone even slightly progressive.
They either ratfuck them in the primary with some rigged primary process, or ratfuck then after the primary by allowing Dems to run independent and split the voter base, withholding endorsements, giving half hearted endorsements and when the progressive candidate loses use the outcome of their ratfucking to justify moving further right because anyone left of Nixon is “unelectable”
If one miraculously makes it through those two ratfucks, they will then do anything in their power to make sure they have as little influence as possible on the party, David Hogg found this out firsthand, or in the halls of power, like when they passed over progressives to put a cancer riddled and dying
Neolib into a committee chair.
If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, it’s not clear to me how continuing to support the Dems is going to start working. The neolibs own the party and they don’t seem very interested in divesting their power.
Maybe it’s time for a new party. The danger of splitting the vote when you are already losing and even in the face of authoritarian christofascism somehow less popular than authoritarian christofascism makes me think there’s not much to lose
A fresh start. Branding is all about conceptions, and retro-fitting an old party brings baggage. Green party for example being ecologically focused, for example.
Change. It is what got Obama into office, and the same for Trump. Ordinary Americans are fed up with the status quo - ghost jobs, bad pay, not enough time to be a human, the malice of ICE, and more.
I suspect that people won’t accept Hope. Depending on how it is worded, maybe Drain the Swamp 2.0, if it targets Trump and friends specifically.
If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, it’s not clear to me how continuing to support the Dems is going to start working.
So, you think we need a brand new approach and a 3rd party is it? I’m not interested in political strategy from someone who doesn’t realize that third parties have run in every election since forever.
Your “new” strategy has its own track record, and it’s even worse than the one you want to abandon. At least the inside strategy hasn’t helped any Republicans win. You are either ignorant, or a Republican.
The inside strategy has given us two trump presidencies and has directly led to the current situation we find ourselves in.
The progressive caucus is the group that needs to divorce itself from the DNC.
Progressive policies are widely popular and the progressive brand is not marred by the same unpopularity as the democrats.
They should continue to run under the democratic ticket while converting their caucus machinery into a viable replacement party that can displace the DNC. Instead they currently act as an organ of a failed party that has proven time and again that they are unable to win elections.
The inside strategy has given us two trump presidencies and has directly led to the current situation we find ourselves in.
How are you not getting this? The outside strategy was also in play, and it also led us to where we are today. The only difference is that the inside strategy has actually made some progress while the outside strategy has achieved exactly dick.
You don’t get to restart the clock on the outside strategy every single election. It’s not new. It has a track record, and it’s nothing to be proud of. In theory the outside strategy is bad, and on reality it’s even worse. Grow up
You aren’t revealing some mystical secrets of the universe I’m too dense to understand.
I know the DNC would love to blame their electoral failure on third parties. They aren’t a shitty uninspiring party that cant articulate an authentic compelling vision for the future, it’s the stupid voters. These dumb dumb voters just won’t vote for them because they got tricked, hood winked into voting for, I forget who was the spoiler that cost Harris her victory. I know people like to blame Bernie for 2016, even though the actual data clearly showed Bernie voters loyally voted along with the party in greater numbers than Clinton voters did for Obama.
You think you are being the adult in the room stamping your feet and throwing a tantrum that the dumbass voters dont want to vote for the garbage neolib party that offers them nothing. I’ve got an adult sized wake up pill for you PARTIES HAVE TO WIN VOTES! And if your solution is to tell everyone, the party is fine we just need these dumbass voters to fall in line, you’ve got bigger problems than arguing with some guy on Lemmy.
Step one is to purge neoliberals from the Democratic party. It needed to be done about ten years ago though, but I guess now is the second best time.
I’ve been told to vote for better Dems for 25 years, while they ratfuck anyone even slightly progressive.
They either ratfuck them in the primary with some rigged primary process, or ratfuck then after the primary by allowing Dems to run independent and split the voter base, withholding endorsements, giving half hearted endorsements and when the progressive candidate loses use the outcome of their ratfucking to justify moving further right because anyone left of Nixon is “unelectable”
If one miraculously makes it through those two ratfucks, they will then do anything in their power to make sure they have as little influence as possible on the party, David Hogg found this out firsthand, or in the halls of power, like when they passed over progressives to put a cancer riddled and dying Neolib into a committee chair.
If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, it’s not clear to me how continuing to support the Dems is going to start working. The neolibs own the party and they don’t seem very interested in divesting their power.
Maybe it’s time for a new party. The danger of splitting the vote when you are already losing and even in the face of authoritarian christofascism somehow less popular than authoritarian christofascism makes me think there’s not much to lose
Why a new party, and not one of the existing third parties?
A fresh start. Branding is all about conceptions, and retro-fitting an old party brings baggage. Green party for example being ecologically focused, for example.
Interesting… What branding do you think would get the most votes?
Change. It is what got Obama into office, and the same for Trump. Ordinary Americans are fed up with the status quo - ghost jobs, bad pay, not enough time to be a human, the malice of ICE, and more.
I suspect that people won’t accept Hope. Depending on how it is worded, maybe Drain the Swamp 2.0, if it targets Trump and friends specifically.
So, you think we need a brand new approach and a 3rd party is it? I’m not interested in political strategy from someone who doesn’t realize that third parties have run in every election since forever.
Your “new” strategy has its own track record, and it’s even worse than the one you want to abandon. At least the inside strategy hasn’t helped any Republicans win. You are either ignorant, or a Republican.
The inside strategy has given us two trump presidencies and has directly led to the current situation we find ourselves in.
The progressive caucus is the group that needs to divorce itself from the DNC.
Progressive policies are widely popular and the progressive brand is not marred by the same unpopularity as the democrats.
They should continue to run under the democratic ticket while converting their caucus machinery into a viable replacement party that can displace the DNC. Instead they currently act as an organ of a failed party that has proven time and again that they are unable to win elections.
How are you not getting this? The outside strategy was also in play, and it also led us to where we are today. The only difference is that the inside strategy has actually made some progress while the outside strategy has achieved exactly dick.
You don’t get to restart the clock on the outside strategy every single election. It’s not new. It has a track record, and it’s nothing to be proud of. In theory the outside strategy is bad, and on reality it’s even worse. Grow up
You aren’t revealing some mystical secrets of the universe I’m too dense to understand.
I know the DNC would love to blame their electoral failure on third parties. They aren’t a shitty uninspiring party that cant articulate an authentic compelling vision for the future, it’s the stupid voters. These dumb dumb voters just won’t vote for them because they got tricked, hood winked into voting for, I forget who was the spoiler that cost Harris her victory. I know people like to blame Bernie for 2016, even though the actual data clearly showed Bernie voters loyally voted along with the party in greater numbers than Clinton voters did for Obama.
You think you are being the adult in the room stamping your feet and throwing a tantrum that the dumbass voters dont want to vote for the garbage neolib party that offers them nothing. I’ve got an adult sized wake up pill for you PARTIES HAVE TO WIN VOTES! And if your solution is to tell everyone, the party is fine we just need these dumbass voters to fall in line, you’ve got bigger problems than arguing with some guy on Lemmy.
Is that what I did? I’m just doing an apples to apples comparison of two strategies.
No, they aren’t. They sure manage to inspire more loyalty than any third party has ever managed though.
Not me, but people. Not sure how this is relevant here though. You aren’t being genuine with me, you are just ranting.
Once again, I have to wonder who the fuck you think you are talking to.
Pot, meet kettle.