I do not care that AOC has also voted down other Israel funding bills when she has been consistent on funding the Iron Dome.
I feel like you’ve been infected at this point, and can’t really grasp what I’m trying to explain here.
She has not been consistent on funding the Iron Dome. She has been consistent, as far as I know, about trying to defund US aid for Israel in any way she can. This whole thing is a weird and stupid blowing-up of one isolated vote of a stupid amendment proposed by the worst person in congress that was never going to pass, and then a pretty dumb way she chose to explain it.
When has she ever voted, previous to this, to give funding for the Iron Dome? Or did you just make up this “consistency” randomly on the spot because it fit in with the ginned-up stuff you’d already seen about this one particular weird blown-up situation?
Just so you know I am the one @[email protected] was having that elections debate on. Unfortunately they are just very privileged and can afford to just wait until a perfect candidate shows up. I don’t think they are wrong when they see something gross in the DNC and not want to be a part of it, but [class] war is by its nature very dirty. I have to say I am lucky to be white and not hunted down by ICE. I am lucky to not be cold and hungry because the IDF is placing my city under siege. Still I would vote for AOC because slowing down the funding for those things does help the most vulnerable. Ideally we are all on the same page: to just end this. Until we actually build a movement that materially produces policy and cultural change at every level of society we have to do settle for living to fight another day. I am afraid that Tanktal just isn’t serious about the material conditions of those affected by neglecting elections.
Wow. You’re such an asshole. PhilipTheBucket is more then capable of checking my profile and seeing what I have been up too.
Can’t handle the smoke in the other thread so your going through my history to warn others from talking to me?
You’re the idiot that thinks electoralism is the be all end all and refuses to admit that its not the most important front or not a very important one. This is not just my opinion but is the opinion of most anarchist and marxists.
This is such pathetic loser behavior. I thought you were better than this but guess not.
This is such pathetic loser behavior. I thought you were better than this but guess not.
Because you are very polite. Notice I never said anything negative of your leftist positions. We are on the same side. I am just asking you to beware that this is important and that your actions on that front have material consequences for many of us. You basically are like the shit libs from the rachet effect meme that keep progress from happening. If you don’t vote you are stopping it from happening.
Its funny thats what you chose to screencap because I am clearly being sarcastic.
As far as the rachet effect I see you as the reason the democrats won’t veer left since your ilk will always vote them in regardless of their position.
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
Again, you are privileged that you can ignore politics. And you are right that its gross and messy, but that is the reality of [class] war. Get used to it soldier.
It’s not a privilege to know that no matter how I vote that It ultimately isn’t going to affect anything and that things have to be done locally through local organizations to help your community.
It is waste of any time on electoralism other than “go vote”
Sorry you can’t spare an evening every year comrade. And it is privileged that you can ignore politics that way. A privileged very few of us is afforded.
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
Is that not what you want? Or do you want people to vote a very specific way and then if you do how much energy should people spend trying to accomplish that? And finally how would this attempt to be any different from any of the other attempts that we’ve done the last 20 plus years that were not effective
Look you would have a point if it weren’t for the fact that they were five other Democrats that supported mtg and all of them are pro Palestinian.
Voting for stripping any money away is unequivocally a win when the country is responsible for a genocide.
It’s not infectious. I just really really really want my tax dollars to stop funding a genocide.
As far as her voting consistently on the Iron Dome funding I’ll go look into her voting record and report back because this is something I heard consistently. It’s one of the places where her and Bernie Sanders seem to be weak.
I’m sure this is true. I would really, really recommend that you take a hard look at why people you’re paying attention to are consistently lying to you, and maybe reevaluate how much you want to keep paying attention to them going forward if all they’re trying to do is deceive you into not supporting leftist figures.
Okay so yeah you are objectively correct that she did vote down the overall bill that funds Israel in general but let’s not forget that she was condemned by Ilhan Omar and DSA for voting no on the MTG Amendment. It’s not just people throwing shade at her she is receiving legitimate criticism for not voting away more of Israel’s funding. The argument is quite simple As long as Israel commits a genocide they should receive no military funding period regardless of what they would use the assets for.
She is using the proper terminology calling this a genocide. She is heavily critical of Israel and she at least didn’t vote Yes on a funding bill in 2021.
So in general she tends to be pretty Pro Palestinian but I think in this particular case on the MTG Amendment this is a loss unequivocally for her and she made a mistake. And she’s deepening that mistake by doubling down.
Okay, sure, that part I agree with. She should have voted “yes” on the doomed amendment and maybe gotten into it more afterwards about how even “defensive” funding for Israel is a terrible thing to do at this point. My point was (a) this is being ginned up into the entirety of her Israel position, overriding a ton of pro-Palestinian things she has been consistently doing that are way bigger deals than this, pretty consistently throughout her career, and I think it’s being done on purpose by people who are trying to hurt the left (who will wind up hurting Palestinians a lot more than helping them through the effort) (b) saying that her and Bernie are weak on Palestine in general is a sign that you’re probably listening to some people who are lying to you on purpose. Those two are among the strongest Palestine supporters in congress, probably second only to people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
So yeah if you want to condemn her vote on this, fine. If you want to spin it up into her being pro-genocide or in any way deserving of her office being vandalized or her being singled out as a genocide supporter, you are helping some people who are lying and hurting the Palestinian cause (as well as lot of domestic left issues). That’s my point.
I haven’t had much time to research this yet. I am interested in continuing our decision but got distracted by lively debate on how important electoralism is to fixing US politics.
I feel like you’ve been infected at this point, and can’t really grasp what I’m trying to explain here.
She has not been consistent on funding the Iron Dome. She has been consistent, as far as I know, about trying to defund US aid for Israel in any way she can. This whole thing is a weird and stupid blowing-up of one isolated vote of a stupid amendment proposed by the worst person in congress that was never going to pass, and then a pretty dumb way she chose to explain it.
When has she ever voted, previous to this, to give funding for the Iron Dome? Or did you just make up this “consistency” randomly on the spot because it fit in with the ginned-up stuff you’d already seen about this one particular weird blown-up situation?
Just so you know I am the one @[email protected] was having that elections debate on. Unfortunately they are just very privileged and can afford to just wait until a perfect candidate shows up. I don’t think they are wrong when they see something gross in the DNC and not want to be a part of it, but [class] war is by its nature very dirty. I have to say I am lucky to be white and not hunted down by ICE. I am lucky to not be cold and hungry because the IDF is placing my city under siege. Still I would vote for AOC because slowing down the funding for those things does help the most vulnerable. Ideally we are all on the same page: to just end this. Until we actually build a movement that materially produces policy and cultural change at every level of society we have to do settle for living to fight another day. I am afraid that Tanktal just isn’t serious about the material conditions of those affected by neglecting elections.
Wow. You’re such an asshole. PhilipTheBucket is more then capable of checking my profile and seeing what I have been up too.
Can’t handle the smoke in the other thread so your going through my history to warn others from talking to me?
You’re the idiot that thinks electoralism is the be all end all and refuses to admit that its not the most important front or not a very important one. This is not just my opinion but is the opinion of most anarchist and marxists.
This is such pathetic loser behavior. I thought you were better than this but guess not.
Because you are very polite. Notice I never said anything negative of your leftist positions. We are on the same side. I am just asking you to beware that this is important and that your actions on that front have material consequences for many of us. You basically are like the shit libs from the rachet effect meme that keep progress from happening. If you don’t vote you are stopping it from happening.
As are you evidentially.
Its funny thats what you chose to screencap because I am clearly being sarcastic.
As far as the rachet effect I see you as the reason the democrats won’t veer left since your ilk will always vote them in regardless of their position.
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
Again, you are privileged that you can ignore politics. And you are right that its gross and messy, but that is the reality of [class] war. Get used to it soldier.
It’s not privilege it’s realism.
It’s not a privilege to know that no matter how I vote that It ultimately isn’t going to affect anything and that things have to be done locally through local organizations to help your community.
It is waste of any time on electoralism other than “go vote”
Sorry you can’t spare an evening every year comrade. And it is privileged that you can ignore politics that way. A privileged very few of us is afforded.
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
Is that not what you want? Or do you want people to vote a very specific way and then if you do how much energy should people spend trying to accomplish that? And finally how would this attempt to be any different from any of the other attempts that we’ve done the last 20 plus years that were not effective
Look you would have a point if it weren’t for the fact that they were five other Democrats that supported mtg and all of them are pro Palestinian.
Voting for stripping any money away is unequivocally a win when the country is responsible for a genocide.
It’s not infectious. I just really really really want my tax dollars to stop funding a genocide.
As far as her voting consistently on the Iron Dome funding I’ll go look into her voting record and report back because this is something I heard consistently. It’s one of the places where her and Bernie Sanders seem to be weak.
How’s your research going?
Here’s some stuff if you’ve had trouble finding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgpLpKwcIM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-meets-with-aoc-in-wake-of-her-vote-against-military-aid-for-israel/
I’m sure this is true. I would really, really recommend that you take a hard look at why people you’re paying attention to are consistently lying to you, and maybe reevaluate how much you want to keep paying attention to them going forward if all they’re trying to do is deceive you into not supporting leftist figures.
Okay so yeah you are objectively correct that she did vote down the overall bill that funds Israel in general but let’s not forget that she was condemned by Ilhan Omar and DSA for voting no on the MTG Amendment. It’s not just people throwing shade at her she is receiving legitimate criticism for not voting away more of Israel’s funding. The argument is quite simple As long as Israel commits a genocide they should receive no military funding period regardless of what they would use the assets for.
She is using the proper terminology calling this a genocide. She is heavily critical of Israel and she at least didn’t vote Yes on a funding bill in 2021.
So in general she tends to be pretty Pro Palestinian but I think in this particular case on the MTG Amendment this is a loss unequivocally for her and she made a mistake. And she’s deepening that mistake by doubling down.
Okay, sure, that part I agree with. She should have voted “yes” on the doomed amendment and maybe gotten into it more afterwards about how even “defensive” funding for Israel is a terrible thing to do at this point. My point was (a) this is being ginned up into the entirety of her Israel position, overriding a ton of pro-Palestinian things she has been consistently doing that are way bigger deals than this, pretty consistently throughout her career, and I think it’s being done on purpose by people who are trying to hurt the left (who will wind up hurting Palestinians a lot more than helping them through the effort) (b) saying that her and Bernie are weak on Palestine in general is a sign that you’re probably listening to some people who are lying to you on purpose. Those two are among the strongest Palestine supporters in congress, probably second only to people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
So yeah if you want to condemn her vote on this, fine. If you want to spin it up into her being pro-genocide or in any way deserving of her office being vandalized or her being singled out as a genocide supporter, you are helping some people who are lying and hurting the Palestinian cause (as well as lot of domestic left issues). That’s my point.
Oh I don’t think she’s a genocide supporter I know she’s Pro Palestinian. I just think this was unequivocally a loss for AOC.
I don’t agree with the people that smeared paint all over her office but I do understand why they are upset.
I haven’t had much time to research this yet. I am interested in continuing our decision but got distracted by lively debate on how important electoralism is to fixing US politics.
My guy lol
Okay, sure. Read up. Find the votes and their statements on the floor, I actually think you’ll find it pretty interesting.