Its funny thats what you chose to screencap because I am clearly being sarcastic.
As far as the rachet effect I see you as the reason the democrats won’t veer left since your ilk will always vote them in regardless of their position.
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
Again, you are privileged that you can ignore politics. And you are right that its gross and messy, but that is the reality of [class] war. Get used to it soldier.
It’s not a privilege to know that no matter how I vote that It ultimately isn’t going to affect anything and that things have to be done locally through local organizations to help your community.
It is waste of any time on electoralism other than “go vote”
Sorry you can’t spare an evening every year comrade. And it is privileged that you can ignore politics that way. A privileged very few of us is afforded.
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
Is that not what you want? Or do you want people to vote a very specific way and then if you do how much energy should people spend trying to accomplish that? And finally how would this attempt to be any different from any of the other attempts that we’ve done the last 20 plus years that were not effective
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
And yet you keep commenting to discourage people to do so. Would you call me out if I said no to show up to a meeting on organizing a garden because its not going to feed everyone? You would (and should)
I simply Advocate that people shouldn’t waste their time advocating for the Democrats or trying to convince people to vote. There are other places where our time is better utilized actually helping our community rather than wasting our breath on a political group that does not care about us and will not save us.
As far as your example it’s more like a group deciding they want to grow lemons in Colorado to feed the homeless and me doing my best to Advocate they don’t do that because it’s a literal waste of time.
I simply Advocate that people shouldn’t waste their time advocating for the Democrats
And I am not. I am saying we need to vote for progressives where possible, and harm reduction where our options are more limited.
There are other places where our time is better utilized actually helping our community rather than wasting our breath on a political group that does not care about us and will not save us.
Do you want to screenshot where I said that this is not important? And you will never have a political group to help you and expand your efforts because you are not building one. And you are making life difficult for your allies by not doing so, what does that say about your support in the fight in the class war?
Yes they should vote for the most radical candidate that will bring the most benefit to workers regardless of the party.
You keep saying that electoralism is one of the most important fronts for the class war.
I’d be very happy to go pull it out of a screenshot for you.
I disagree. I think electoralism should be practiced only in so far as we can get something pragmatically out of it. This of course would mean advocating for people like Zohran Mamdani but also be willing to call him out for playing to corporate interests over those of the community. Frankly I’m super excited for him to get elected. It’s going to be a wonderful example of the ineffectiveness of electoralism to actually get anything done. And if I’m wrong that’s even better because the material conditions actively get better for people.
Currently I don’t think we’ll get anything out of the Democrats. I don’t think they’ll roll back any of the Trump changes and it would just be a pause before the next fascist Administration rolls in.
Liberals have no idea where to put in their time and effort when it comes to making changes politically and it shows throughout this entire thread. You know you should at least read the commie books since they have a ton of information on how to properly organize a community and how to utilize their local power including when to use electoralism.
As are you evidentially.
Its funny thats what you chose to screencap because I am clearly being sarcastic.
As far as the rachet effect I see you as the reason the democrats won’t veer left since your ilk will always vote them in regardless of their position.
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
Again, you are privileged that you can ignore politics. And you are right that its gross and messy, but that is the reality of [class] war. Get used to it soldier.
It’s not privilege it’s realism.
It’s not a privilege to know that no matter how I vote that It ultimately isn’t going to affect anything and that things have to be done locally through local organizations to help your community.
It is waste of any time on electoralism other than “go vote”
Sorry you can’t spare an evening every year comrade. And it is privileged that you can ignore politics that way. A privileged very few of us is afforded.
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
Is that not what you want? Or do you want people to vote a very specific way and then if you do how much energy should people spend trying to accomplish that? And finally how would this attempt to be any different from any of the other attempts that we’ve done the last 20 plus years that were not effective
And yet you keep commenting to discourage people to do so. Would you call me out if I said no to show up to a meeting on organizing a garden because its not going to feed everyone? You would (and should)
I simply Advocate that people shouldn’t waste their time advocating for the Democrats or trying to convince people to vote. There are other places where our time is better utilized actually helping our community rather than wasting our breath on a political group that does not care about us and will not save us.
As far as your example it’s more like a group deciding they want to grow lemons in Colorado to feed the homeless and me doing my best to Advocate they don’t do that because it’s a literal waste of time.
And I am not. I am saying we need to vote for progressives where possible, and harm reduction where our options are more limited.
Do you want to screenshot where I said that this is not important? And you will never have a political group to help you and expand your efforts because you are not building one. And you are making life difficult for your allies by not doing so, what does that say about your support in the fight in the class war?
Tankies are not serious people.
Yes they should vote for the most radical candidate that will bring the most benefit to workers regardless of the party.
You keep saying that electoralism is one of the most important fronts for the class war.
I’d be very happy to go pull it out of a screenshot for you.
I disagree. I think electoralism should be practiced only in so far as we can get something pragmatically out of it. This of course would mean advocating for people like Zohran Mamdani but also be willing to call him out for playing to corporate interests over those of the community. Frankly I’m super excited for him to get elected. It’s going to be a wonderful example of the ineffectiveness of electoralism to actually get anything done. And if I’m wrong that’s even better because the material conditions actively get better for people.
Currently I don’t think we’ll get anything out of the Democrats. I don’t think they’ll roll back any of the Trump changes and it would just be a pause before the next fascist Administration rolls in.
Liberals have no idea where to put in their time and effort when it comes to making changes politically and it shows throughout this entire thread. You know you should at least read the commie books since they have a ton of information on how to properly organize a community and how to utilize their local power including when to use electoralism.