• PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au
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    22 hours ago

    How’s your research going?

    Here’s some stuff if you’ve had trouble finding:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgpLpKwcIM

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-meets-with-aoc-in-wake-of-her-vote-against-military-aid-for-israel/

    because this is something I heard consistently

    I’m sure this is true. I would really, really recommend that you take a hard look at why people you’re paying attention to are consistently lying to you, and maybe reevaluate how much you want to keep paying attention to them going forward if all they’re trying to do is deceive you into not supporting leftist figures.

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      19 hours ago

      Okay so yeah you are objectively correct that she did vote down the overall bill that funds Israel in general but let’s not forget that she was condemned by Ilhan Omar and DSA for voting no on the MTG Amendment. It’s not just people throwing shade at her she is receiving legitimate criticism for not voting away more of Israel’s funding. The argument is quite simple As long as Israel commits a genocide they should receive no military funding period regardless of what they would use the assets for.

      She is using the proper terminology calling this a genocide. She is heavily critical of Israel and she at least didn’t vote Yes on a funding bill in 2021.

      So in general she tends to be pretty Pro Palestinian but I think in this particular case on the MTG Amendment this is a loss unequivocally for her and she made a mistake. And she’s deepening that mistake by doubling down.

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        18 hours ago

        Okay, sure, that part I agree with. She should have voted “yes” on the doomed amendment and maybe gotten into it more afterwards about how even “defensive” funding for Israel is a terrible thing to do at this point. My point was (a) this is being ginned up into the entirety of her Israel position, overriding a ton of pro-Palestinian things she has been consistently doing that are way bigger deals than this, pretty consistently throughout her career, and I think it’s being done on purpose by people who are trying to hurt the left (who will wind up hurting Palestinians a lot more than helping them through the effort) (b) saying that her and Bernie are weak on Palestine in general is a sign that you’re probably listening to some people who are lying to you on purpose. Those two are among the strongest Palestine supporters in congress, probably second only to people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.

        So yeah if you want to condemn her vote on this, fine. If you want to spin it up into her being pro-genocide or in any way deserving of her office being vandalized or her being singled out as a genocide supporter, you are helping some people who are lying and hurting the Palestinian cause (as well as lot of domestic left issues). That’s my point.

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          18 hours ago

          Oh I don’t think she’s a genocide supporter I know she’s Pro Palestinian. I just think this was unequivocally a loss for AOC.

          I don’t agree with the people that smeared paint all over her office but I do understand why they are upset.

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      22 hours ago

      I haven’t had much time to research this yet. I am interested in continuing our decision but got distracted by lively debate on how important electoralism is to fixing US politics.