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    • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
      642·
      2 years ago

      It’s whataboutism to say someone shouldn’t have started the fight in the first place?

      • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        284·
        2 years ago

        The “fight” started with the colonization of Palestine, the theft of indigenous land, and the expulsion of half the native populace. Naming a random date or event in the past couple of years as the “start” of this conflict is brazenly dishonest.

        Every year, Israel expands its land seizures in occupied Palestine, but for some reason you don’t count that as sustaining hostilities. Sounds an awful lot like you’re willing to excuse Israeli terrorism while holding others to a different standard.

        • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
          521·
          2 years ago

          Would you say that because of your personal understanding of the history, you’d consider any act of Hezbollah against Israel as justified, and any act of Israel to stop them as unjustified?

          • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.worldEnglish
            142·
            2 years ago

            No, I condemn all attacks against civilians. Hard to imagine, I’m sure, for someone who sees only one belligerent’s citizens as human.

            But I am pointing out the ludicrous misrepresentation of history that Hezbollah “started” any aspect of this conflict. Hezbollah was created in response to Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. Israel invaded Lebanon because the PLO was launching attacks on Israel from southern Lebanon. The PLO was in Lebanon and before that in Jordan because they were driven out of their native homeland and made refugees due to the colonization of Palestine.

            There is no aspect of this conflict that does not tie directly back to the violent disappropriation and explusion of the Palestinian people from their land. The conflict is and has always been about theft of land and homes, which continues unabated through the present day.

            • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
              39·
              2 years ago

              And do you think Hezbollah restarting the hostilities after almost two decades of de facto ceasefire was helpful for the civilians? Which civilians have gained anything from it? The dead?

              • shaserlark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                81·
                2 years ago

                And do you think the colonization of Palestine, the establishment of an apartheid regime and the subsequent genocide of Palestinians was helpful?

                • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
                  210·
                  2 years ago

                  History is just a tad bit more complicated than you seem to be aware of, but do you really think Hezbollah (and Hamas) reigniting the conflict made the world better?

                  Which other conflicts would you like to see reignited?

            • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
              525·
              2 years ago

              Are you living in some Bizarroworld where it’s Israel that broke the ceasefire with Hezbollah back in October?

                • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
                  36·
                  2 years ago

                  Before they were attacked by Hamas in the south and subsequently Hezbollah in the north? Please elaborate. You can stay in all caps if you want

                  • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
                    44·
                    2 years ago

                    Before they were attacked by Hamas

                    Before they were attacked by Hamas, they were in the process of committing genocide.

                    They deserved October 7. And they deserved to be attacked by Hezbollah for escalating that genocide.

                    Follow your leader, nazi scum.

              • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                11·
                2 years ago

                Y’all wackos always yapping about some irrelevant date and irrelevant event in order to justify colonialism, racism, apartheid, kidnapping, sexual assault, terrorism, genocide, etc.

                Nobody cares about your hasbara nonsense.

                • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
                  21·
                  2 years ago

                  Wow yeah all these ‘events’ and ‘dates’ everyone’s always talking about are just all irrelevant

                  You’ve really opened my eyes

        • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
          38·
          2 years ago

          Ok, so in your mind, the year is 1982. Israel just invaded Southern Lebanon and is fighting the PLO. Nothing like Israel withdrawing, the entire Lebanese civil war, the '90s, the 2006 war, the events of 2023 has happened. 1982 Hezbollah received some missiles from the future and fired them at some Israelis that haven’t been born yet.

          It is forever 1982, and the killing will never end

          • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
            63·
            2 years ago

            Amazing fucking goalposts there. From “Well who started it??” to “Who cares who started it, that’s so long ago” in literally one comment.

            Fuck these nazi ass fucking zionists.

            • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
              46·
              2 years ago

              Do you think the killing is ever going to end if Hezbollah can’t stop unless Israel is dissolved? Don’t you think the world would be better if they stopped attacking eachother?

              • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
                43·
                2 years ago

                The killing will end when the state of Israel ends. Israel exists to commit genocide. It was committing genocide long before Hezbollah or Hamas existed. Hezbollah and Hamas exists because Israel is a fascist, genocidal state. The world will be better when it’s gone.

                • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
                  34·
                  2 years ago

                  What do you think of all the other countries that committed and commit what you call genocide? Should they all be attacked? Should the people of the world put perpetual genocides on eachother until one remains?

                  • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
                    53·
                    2 years ago

                    Look how fucking stupid fascists are. “We should be allowed to commit genocide because what are you gonna do? Be against everyone else committing genocide??”

                    Truly subhuman.