Iran re-closed the Strait of Hormuz Friday instead of heading to Switzerland for nuclear negotiations, citing Israel’s refusal to pull forces out of southern Lebanon and US forces’ ongoing presence in the region.
In a statement read over maritime radio channels, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said the US was in violation of the memorandum of understanding between Washington and Tehran, which President Trump and Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian signed Wednesday.
“Since Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon, the complete lifting of the naval blockade, and the withdrawal of American terrorist forces from the Persian Gulf and the region are among the main conditions of the agreement between Iran and the United States, the Strait of Hormuz will remain closed until these conditions are met,” it said. “All ships are requested, for the sake of their security and safety, not to approach the Strait of Hormuz. Any vessel that defies this directive will be targeted.”
Iranian, Israeli, and US leadership are all self absorbed authoritarians who care more about looking powerful and could give fuck all about the ppl they supposedly govern
True for half of the USA and most of Iran, but the vast, vast majority of Israelis are even more bloothirsty and shitty as their war criminal leaders. Dont rope the US and Iranian public in with Israelis. Thats fucking insulting.
I get the narcissistic part, how does that reflect autism tho?
Bro, iran found out that if they just block the strait they wont get bombed. In what universe is keeping their cities from being bombed not giving a fuck all about their people?
They’re selfishly preventing us from accessing the jet fuel we use to power our bombers.
It’s unsporting, petty, and deeply unchristian. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I am an iranian citizen, they do not give a shit about us. Trying not to get bombed is rule 1:1 of not having your government collapse
All the Iranians in exile will probably tell you the current government doesnt give a shit about the populace
That seems like a biased sample set.
You’re telling me all the people who have had problems with the government think the government is bad? I’m shocked!
I’m confused… Are you hinting at the Iranian regime not being as bad as Iranians living abroad make it out to be?
No, I’m pointing out the concept of sampling bias. There are no doubt valid criticisms of the Iranian government as there are with every government.
When I hear Iranian immigrants on cable news being like “it’s good the U.S. is bombing the homes of people I used to live with” I’m like
“that’s a crazy take”.more precisely “why would someone wish something so horrible on their former neighbor”.Just cause you lived somewhere for a while doesn’t mean you know what is best for the people still living there. It may imply a certain level of knowledge. But those people can still have bad takes --just like Americans can have bad takes about America-- and those bad takes can be biased by the particular experience they have had and that’s worth considering.
Some Iranians I know said their family members protesting the regime were shot and injured and 1000s of citizens killed.
They drive by and seek out people using starlink type systems that communicated with the outside world, due to the communication ban , internet ban. While the Iranians don’t want to be bombed they want their oppressive government out of power and were welcoming invasion originally.
Doesnt justify bombing grade schools and reservoirs of the citizens being oppressed though does it. So its pretty obvious that Israel and the Us arent bombing Iran to help the Iranian citizens out, isnt that right.
It does not
It’s true of 100% of Iranians I know. It has to be accurate with the very large number Iranians I know.
3 is a really big number right?
Those narcissists at Iran, how dare they ask for peace and not be satisfied with invasion, subjugation, and killing of innocents
To be fair, the regime’s response to the civil unrest was so unnecessarily bloody and violent that some sort of international response was almost inevitable.
So yeah, crazy people who don’t give two cents about their people.
And if you really want to muddy the waters, then consider the Iranian diaspora in the US, who are hardcore MAGA-supporters and who literally asked Trump to bomb ‘their’ country.
Or the former prince of Iran asking Trump’s blessing to lead his country again, after spending the majority of his life achieving nothing and living of the fortunes his father stole from Iran.
It really is narcissists all the way down…
Now do Israel and the US.
At least Iran is trying to save millions of people from being bombed to shit.
So it can cover, cane, and oppress them.
There are no good guys here. Mommy and Daddy are fighting to see who gets to fiddle the kids.
I was referring to Gaza and Lebanon.
Iran only cares about those because they know if they let Gaza and Lebanon fall to Israel unopposed, Iran is next. It’s complete self interest.
There is no “Iran is next.” Pretty sure Isreal and the US just tried to beat Iran into submission and failed. Iran’s time came and they survived.
Iran could easily turn it’s back on Lebanon and survive, just as the rest of the world has. But unlike the rest of the world it’s actually using the leverage it has to stop a massive genocide.
No one is saying Iran is a wonderful country with leaders that belive in peace and equality for their people but the blood on the US and Isreal hands flows further than Irans.
Bullshit. If Israel gets pissy enough they’ll drop a nuke. Iran cannot remain defensible if they let either Israel or America destroy the countries around them.
The only reason Iran wasn’t beaten into submission by the US is because trump’s whole thing is to pretend to lose accidentally so he can wash money through the system and siphon it out. He’s been doing this his entire life, and the fact that people think this is anything but that, is startling.
trump and the boyz are skimming billions off this thing every single day. Keeping it on the edge like this “win-lose-win-lose” allows those in the know to siphon off a country sized chunk of money every single breath.
Dropping a nuke is quite possibly the only thing that would sever US and Israeli ties. No one wants to set the precedent that nuclear weapons should be used as anything but a nuclear deterrent. They would become even more of a pariah than they already are, and Israel knows they cannot exist without getting billions of dollars of military aid every year.
The reason Iran wasn’t beaten is because Trump is incompetent and believes wars can be won without putting boots on the ground. America could probably win a war against Iran, but it would likely be the bloodiest and most costly war since the Korean war.
Maybe if you are including the military industrial complex as the “boyz”…? Do you have any evidence, or even an outline of an idea of how trump is personally enriching himself from the conflict? Because most of the business schemes he has in the area generally have to do with the Saudi government, who definitely want to end the war. Or have to do with the reconstruction of gaza, which requires a cease fire to actually start capitalizing off of.
Insider trading and offshore payments from the industries benefiting from all this. Are you seriously asking me how he is being corrupt? trump? the trump trump? He’s mostly just doing it in public now. People have been pointing it out his entire second term.
You mentioned a bunch of the “business ideas” he’s talked about and other things he’s said in public. You are watching the show on stage and believing all the actor’s motivations and the stage settings.
If you think the con man who successfully and consistently walks away unscathed and with obscene amounts of money, is just a dumb loser, there is nothing I or anyone alive can do to rescue you from that belief. I can only ask you to pull yourself back and look at the facts, and that belief, from a meta position. Because all through that belief is the fact that it simply can’t be true.
The United States is rapidly becoming incompetent as a military power. Trump firing anyone with competence at any level of the military and government is likely related.
You’re making a false equivalency and giving excuses for an epic failure by the United States under the trump administration.
It’s called “Losing”. It’s what happens when the other side wins. I know it might be hard to process that the United States is capable of losing a war. ( Not just taking a dive, fucking losing dude.) I might remind you of Vietnam? That is another war the United States straight up lost.
I’m sorry, maybe I misspoke. You seem to believe I’m pro America or think America is full of ubermench or something. Please see my original statement “there are no good guys here”.
trump isn’t “playing 4d chess” he’s just doing the simple routine he always does, destroying the
companycountry on purpose, while distracting from it and pretending he’s not doin it on purpose, to avoid legal culpability in the ensuing court battles. It’s literally all he’s ever done, why would this be different?You mention Vietnam. The huge money sink that made trillions for defense contractors at the expense of American and Vietnamese lives? The one that worked the already organized youth back home into fruitlessly attacking a situation instead of the government and corporate structures they set out to change in the first place?
America hasn’t won a war since WWII, and this is on purpose. They are just replaying that time in WWII when they got addicted to all the money they could make through chaos and terror. This isn’t because America is a genius who could totally win if they wanted. It’s because they are an addict stripping copper from every building they come across, and sleeping in a dumpster.
These aren’t excuses. These are the base motivations of America.
Anyway, I’m not going to argue with you about Iran’s intentions. If you think they’re being altruistic, that’s beyond my abilities to convince you otherwise. I would love you to see America’s real face though.
What’s that got to do with autism?
It’s only part to do with Autism. My experience with moderate to strong autism in people is like a dog with a bone. They will not drop a point and will stay super focused on it even when everyone else has moved on, or conversation moves forward. Autism makes people “sticky” they won’t drop a view they hold without trusting the people they are interacting with to a significant degree. This is not
But the other descriptors are very important to producing shitty people. The part that makes this bad is the narcissist part.
Autism is just one that makes it hard to put themselves in the other peoples shoes. Autism makes it difficult to understand other people’s perspective and can lock in on their own experience of the world which doesn’t usually align with the vast majority of other humans. They have a really hard time relating to other people in some people.
Having 3 such people with the those specific traits arguing against each other, the autism part is not what makes them bad people. A better way to describe the affect autism would have in this scenario is that you could say ruthlessly and mercilessly tenacious instead of autism because that’s the enhancement autism produces in this scenario.
It’s a very useful capability when channelled in good ways, channeling it in narcissistic ways is what is wrong here. Autism is a powerup, it’s not bad the way the other descriptors are
You don’t have to be autistic to get stuck on a view, look at the MAGA base while the leopard eats their faces
No you dont. Absolutely correct. But it’s a very different kind of compulsion for people who express their autism that way.
Ever overhear an argument at a gaming convention?
Yes, but that’s because they are assholes not autistic
They’re both. It’s a deadly combo.
Hyper fixated on being dicks?
Don’t need autism to do that.