The minister proposed the idea during a security cabinet meeting on Tuesday, where officials supported expanding the assault in Lebanon.
“Let’s start thinking outside the box about Hezbollah,” Ben Gvir said.
“Conquering territory and killing many terrorists, but also detaining their women and youth and taking them to terrorist prisons,” he added.
“That’s what hurts them the most.”
The title is deceptive. He is the minister of national security in israel, so his “calling for” is actual a statement of Israeli government policy. You dont “call on” a people to do things when you are in charge of those people. They make it sound like he is on the ouside of government asking for the people in charge to do something.
Of course, they are trying to turn Lebanon into a Gazan style ghetto.
Collective punishment is the modus operandi of nazis.
Huh. I wonder why Hezbollah feels the need to exist…
It’s astonishing that no one has tried to kill him. There’s a lot of bad Israeli politicians but him and Smotrich are on the top of the shit list. Plus he’s a fan of political assassination anyway so the worst they could say is it’s karma for Rabin.
If you mean by an israeli then israelis only kill their leaders who they deem not enough pro genocide towards palesrinians
It’s quite darkly funny how in both the United States and Israel the side most willing to commit political violence is the side that advocates for more violence.
Its practically programmed into Americans at this point. And the fascists know it and exploit it.
I’m not saying I’m pro-political violence, but I am pretty against a political tool being used by only one side of the aisle, especially when that side of the aisle is the one advocating for more murder and more fascism and more political violence
He’s a completely incompetent moron because he keeps saying the quiet part out loud. Instead of quiet slow starvation of 2 million people he advocates for public torture of a few Palestinians. Politicians like Ben Gvir will be the undoing for Israel.
On the other hand, he’s the type of person that gets the remotely moderate politician like Yitzhak Rabin shot.
If he’s getting Israeli politicians shot that’s even better.
You’re missing the quote marks around “moderate”
Rabin getting shot didn’t work out for Palestinians, and he was only halfway trying to do anything good. What makes you think more extreme pariah status will solve the issue that Israelis firmly believe they own the land and see it as their home and have the guns to back it up? Israel could easily North Korea itself, never mind the nukes, and the people that would suffer most are the Palestinians. And no one’s gonna fucking invade it to stop it because, again, nukes.
The situation in west bank is exactly as Rabin wanted a lesser than a state where Israel is still in control with palestinians traitors participating in israel colonial security while not protecting palestinians from settlers
And yet he was shot for it, and as a result no one will even consider going left of that.
Yes. It doesn’t make Rabin any better then if he wasn’t killed though
Rabin explicitly said he adjusted the Oslo Accords so the Palestinians would not get a state but “something less than a state” and then he would continue the indefinite Zionist land grab.
There is literally no difference between Rabin and Ben Gvir in their end goals. Rabin just did it more diplomatically so idiots would support his genocide.
https://imeu.org/resources/resources/quick-facts-yitzhak-rabin/225
“We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. [Commander Yigal] Allon repeated his question, ‘What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’… I agreed that it was essential to drive the inhabitants out.”
I’m sure the many, many thousands killed in Palestine over the past 3 years are grateful to your belief that the guy who has been killing them is entirely identical to the guy who kept them alive as second class citizens but yet still alive.
Awful. This guy definitely belongs to the club of the worst people humanity was able to produce.
Oh you mean like the British did to the Boers. What were those “terrorist prisons” called again? And remind me, what did those inspire?
Publican advocating for war crimes…crazy!
Crazy is kind of his schtick from what I have seen.
I’ve got to be honest, I’ve not got a good idea of what the on-the-ground politics of Israel is like, but I have to hope there’s a sizable demographic who sees all this as abhorrent as the rest of us.
I hope when they get their turn in power, one of the first things they do is sign up to the ICC.
There are people who speak up, but it’s definitely not a sizeable demographic. Even before the genocide started, Israelis who protested Israel’s human rights abuses and wars faced a heckton of suppression. A friend of a friend was hospitalised after being severely beaten by right wing counter protesters at an anti-genocide demonstration. Far from taking action to stop it, the police (as they were watching it happen) laughed at her and said she deserved it.
Children are taught from a young age of the necessity of Zionism, and that they are fundamentally superior to Palestinians and other Arabs, who are inherently violent and dangerous. They twist the knife of the generational trauma of the holocaust, because scared and hurt people are easier to manipulate to hate.
Compulsory military service in the IDF is another powerful tool used to shape Israeli’s opinions; There’s been a lot of research on how the military has a shockingly strong effectiveness at shifting the views of those who serve in it, leading to galvanisation of an us-vs-them way of thinking. People who refuse compulsory service are routinely imprisoned, sometimes for longer than their term of service would be.
Press freedoms are heavily restricted. A friend who was studying in Israel in the late 2010s was astounded by how homogenous the media landscape was, especially in terms of news. There are some organisations that do good work, but they themselves have documented how difficult it is to be a journalist in Israel who isn’t willing to be a propaganda mouthpiece. +972mag is one of the few publications in this space , and they do some absolutely incredible journalism, so check them out if you’d like to be able to get an insight into some of the on-the-ground politics in Israel. Their editorial team includes both Israelis and Palestinians, and much (if not all) of their work is available in both English and Hebrew — because even if there aren’t many in Israel inclined to listen, they want to get their work out to as many people as possible
I have to hope there’s a sizable demographic who sees all this as abhorrent as the rest of us.
Abandon that hope. There are Israelis who do think this is madness. There aren’t many of them and they are in no position to have any say whatsoever. There’s a significant contingent of Jews outside of Israel who are horrified, but they tend to be the ones weren’t interested in participating in the colonial project in the first place. You kind of have a distilled subset of those who are least likely to see other people as human.
Based on their voting habits, I don’t think we will see that any time soon.
There are many who recognise how insane and evil this is, but I’m afraid it seems like they are the minority of Israelis.
The candidate who will beat netenyahu in the next electioon think Netenyahu is too soft on Lebanon
Oh.
Well there goes that hope
hang on now this is Netanyahu we’re talking about he’ll probably win it again anyway. Likud are somehow still the most supported party again.
I mean, it’s Netanyahu. Not that Bennett / Lapid are much better politically.
They may be ever worse than Netenyahu. What for sure is that they eon’t be better than him
My point was more that Netanyahu has a very long and storied track record of somehow coming out on top.
also, I think (perhaps hope) they’ll be better, if only just. At the very least, they won’t have Ben Gvir and Smotrich in government. Bar is all the way in hell and out the other side, but it’s at least above that bar instead of below it.
Ok but he is not coming up to the yop in the next election. There is no difference between smotrich , ben gvir and netanyahu. Smotrich and ben gvir are simply more open in their genocidal intent. I don’t expect Bennet to be any better than them either
I’m not an expert, so take all this with a grain of salt.
The problem with Israel and the region in general is that the normal-ish people are drowned out by the radicalised folks pointing to people like Ben Gvir on the other side and saying “if we try to normalise with them, this will happen. Do you want to negotiate with these monsters?” And repeat ad nauseum.
Ben Gvir himself is a Mizrahim (the Jews from the Middle Eastern diaspora instead of European), and while I can’t say about his family specifically, IIRC many Mizrahim tend to be more right-wing than the average populace because they’re the ones with more direct conflict and memory of being kicked out of their homes by Middle Eastern countries after the formation of Israel. To some, Israel was the only place they could go after they were kicked out because of being Jews. (You could argue that Israel’s actions led to the people being kicked out and the rise in antisemitism, but they could then argue the Holocaust was clear justification, or that it proved that Jews needed a state, or whatever. I’m not trying to state definitively who’s at fault or who’s in the right here.) It’s basically a siege mentality applied to an entire country after nearly a century of war for existence and due to a shared cultural memory of the Holocaust and other persecution that has convinced many of them that the only way to get “what they deserve” (whatever that may entail) is through beating their neighbours into submission — an attitude which has been part of Israeli politics since before Israel existed as a modern state with the Iron Wall essay by Ze’ev Jabotinsky.
And obviously the same applies on the other side, which is why we have groups like Hamas, which grew from dissent over Arafat and the PLO’s more peaceful approach towards finding a resolution to the region during the First Intifada and Oslo. Meanwhile, on the Israeli side, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin got shot by the Israeli far-right for trying to make a peace happen. So neither side can really work towards peace because the ones who try are shut down by volume and by force.
The same thing kinda happened in Hong Kong, where I’m actually from. From the government’s perspective, the protests and demands for democracy never ended, so they decided the only way to crush them was by force, hence the crackdown in 2020 and onwards. From the pro-democratic folks’ perspective, the government never gave anything even when the more pacifist, negotiable side tried, so out came the localists (who saw Hong Kong more as a distinct and even independent unit from China and wanted to make it so, as opposed to the previous democratic activists who, in my opinion rightly, believed that democracy in Hong Kong could not happen without simultaneously obtaining democracy in China for our brethren), and the radicals (who wanted to tear and burn things down so that the government was forced to listen for economic and PR reasons), and the moderate voices were quieted. Both sides saw the other as unnegotiable (Israel sometimes throws around the phrase “no partner for peace”), so they decided the only solution was to force the matter, which then spirals until… well, whichever has more force wins.
Yeah you definitely don’t know the internal politics of Israel.
