The New York Times is partly responsible for this. The bullshit centrist coverage by mainstream media allowed the Democrats to shift to the right, which led to Hillary and her loss.
You’ll never convince me that Elon didn’t rig the election.
He literally paid people to vote for trump. In the open.
Nobody needs to be convinced of that. That is a fact. What you need to do is convince the people in power that that should be a punishable offense. But he put the people on power on power, so why would they punish him.
He definitely influenced it. Like, massively. But directly, hands on…? Yeah maybe lol
Seriously, though, i wish we knew. On character judgement and history and intent and everything? Yes 100% absolutely. But have evidence? Hard to investigate with Nazis running almost all of the government.
If only there had been a recount, even any small investigation
We broke it giving him a first chance.
This. When he won for the first time it was clear US is not a serious country anymore. Everyone just kept pretending it is for as long as they could.
You realize he lost the first election, right?
He lost the popular vote. Not the electoral one though.
How does that change anything? He still won the election.
I think it’s pulling the bandaid off. The US was already on its way to being the capitalist beast it is. Getting eyes on this is great and gives the chance for other countries to get more leverage.
And the folks that weren’t planning on waking up got their call.
capitalist beast
I agree with the sentiment but this phrasing in this era makes it sound like a good thing. May I suggest monster?
America didn’t give Trump a second chance. That implies he was caught and convicted, and punished for something he did wrong.
He did not spend a single day in jail. His sentence in New York was effectively commuted.
He was never even charged at the federal level.
He was allowed to continue his tyranny.
Because Democrats refused to actually hold him to account.
Because Democrats refused to actually hold him to account.
because they don’t want to set any precedents for their own fuckery.
It’s all gotta go
He lost the first time. Harris lost the second time (because she refused to promise sanctions against Israel for genocide).
Trump never won. Don’t spread those lies.
What kind of YouTube bullshit is this of course he won.
Gosh… Who enabled this I wonder. What major informers of voters was a key proponent of ‘actually Trump is probably a better choice than Biden’.
Fuck… if only we had the capability to search the past for answers.
What % of NYT readers voted for Trump? It has to be minuscule.
The election was so close, there are dozens of but-for causes that could have tipped the scale, but the NYT not being sufficiently alarmist about Trump (which is what that CNN article you linked claims - not that the paper was a proponent of Trump, as you say) probably wasn’t one of them.
The media coverage leading up to the election was infuriating. If that’s how the masses get their information, then it absolutely does skew the outcome of elections.
Maybe NYT was just one slice of the cake, but add up all the other major media outlets that were sanewashing trump and skirting over his many glaring issues, while piling on Biden and later Kamala and nitpicking them with the finest-toothed of combs, and the problem becomes obvious.
There was an article EVERY FUCKING DAY from 2020 to 2024 about Trump in the nyt. If the media would have ignored him, and not platformed him every fucking day maybe just maybe he would not have had a chance
Democrat turnout was pretty abysmal, and the media sanewashing of trump certainly contributed to some of that.
It’s really shitty that the Democrats have to appeal to leftist, liberals, independents, Democrats and everything in between with the platform and messaging, Republicans have to appeal to their base, that’s it. Makes it really hard to win elections when you have to be the perfect candidate for 10 different groups of people all with different ideologies.
Running a candidate who nobody voted for in a primary probably contributed to it as well.
WELL I FUCKING VOTED FOR HER. She was right there on the ticket, under Biden. I have enough of a brain to realize if Biden couldn’t run anymore she would naturally be the candidate.
What’s natural about that? If the incumbent can’t run again what would be natural is another primary.
yeah. Not being a member of political party is terrifying to many people. Joining the republicans is an impossibility to many people, so they hold their nose and join the Dems, who couldnt give two shites what the voters want. As we saw in that election.
I agree there must have been a sizable chunk of voters who were unaware that Trump posed a threat to democracy itself, but I assume those people are just generally relatively uninformed. The way I knew he was a threat to democracy was through consuming mainstream media (and some podcasts).
By 2024 Trump had been on the political scene for almost a decade. This was post Jan 6. There was no excuse for putting him back in power. The voters sanewashed him to themselves. People are very adaptable. We are the same species who owned slaves, walked on the moon, tore out peoples hearts at the tops of pyramids, sit in boxes for 8 hours a day, and hunted giant fuzzy elephants to extinction by hand - and all of it is “normal.”
Even today, 37% of Americans think Trump is great!
I see so the voters are the problem, you’re saying?
Yes.
Well, a problem. Because I don’t see the world in black and white and believe there is just one problem, unlike some idiots.
thats good to hear, because in your last comment you were just harping on the one thing-- the voters, so you sounded like an “idiot” (your choice of word not mine) for a second but sounds like you didnt get your whole viewpoint out. Have a nice day.
The US put a gun to its head in 2016. In 2024, it pulled the trigger.
A Project 2029 cannot be a collection of Democratic Party agenda items. It must articulate a broad new conception of the nation’s political order — one that will guide the way a future Democratic-led government might wield power. Above all, Democrats must have a plan for reconstruction — for building something new on the wreckage of what President Trump, MAGA and the Republican Party have wrought — not restoration of what was.
The whole article puts eloquent prose to the thoughts in my head (looking from outside the US) as to what the USA needs to recover post-Trump; it’s more than striving to going back to normal.
The issue is that centrist Democratic voices have been kind of developing their vision by committee over any aims to make it cohesive and comprehensive. In my view the plan has to recognize and tackle these three things:
- Internal complacency within the Democratic party to do good things for people rather than just talk about them
- Reforming the outdated systems that simply relied on trust that the system wouldn’t corrupt itself or overlook corruption.
- Fixing the destruction caused by the Trump administration, then taking steps to prevent a cult like Congress and a bought-and-paid-for judiciary to surrender the republic to the executive.
The important thing is you can’t grandfather in the corruption while you fix it.
The important thing is you can’t grandfather in the corruption while you fix it.
100% this (from an Americanist’s perspective). Just think of slavery and how it was enshrined in the constitution despite being on the way out. You had to have a whole-ass civil war, shooting and all, to fix it. And arguably still didn’t, cf. the pervasiveness of Confederate nostalgia and the prison industrial complex.
The same forces that successfully lobbied to keep slavery going are lobbying to keep systemic corruption going. Telling you at every opportunity in all the media outlets they bought that it’s the American way, baby!
The only solution to this mess is to finally redefine who “We the People” actually are. If it’s still going to be a bunch of rich white dudes with an aversion to taxes, woe betide you.
Of course that raises the question who would have the authority to perform this redefinition and how they would gain it. Barring a bona fide revolution, I just don’t see it at this point.
Thoughts and prayers from Europe.
He also writes
They need, in particular, a commitment to a constitutional order centered on the power and prerogatives of Congress
which yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me as a European – but as I understand it, congress is not a very popular institution in the US. I’ve been following the aggregators for Trump’s favorability/approval ratings - and while they’re not very high, they are a lot higher than the ones for congress. This is going to be tough to do.
Still possible, but I think it depends on the “good things” you mentioned being very clearly good and noticeable in peoples’ lives.
Also, nice to read a comment from someone who actually read the article
My will to live (edit: In the US).
They broke my will to live (edit: In the US).
You need to recast that. They broke your will to live in the U.S… There are still some nice places in the world.
Example?
New Zealand
Switzerland
America was broken before this. Giving Trump a second chance (or a first) was a symptom.
The 2024 election was stolen after their 2029 efforts failed. Simple as that.
I’m for second chances…when the stakes are lower. A waiter messes up a few people’s orders, you give him a chance to improve. A president of a country steals classified documents and attempts a violent coup to stay in power, you ban from ever being in a position of power again
The people capable of preventing him from to getting back into office condoned what he did. The oligarchy will never charge one of their own
Broke ain’t the right word. Revealed could be used, or accelerated.
Simple people love simple answers.
It’s a lot easier to blame trump personally and pretend we’d have been fine without him. Even tho most of the people saying Trump’s the only problem, said the same thing about Bush.
It’s easier to blame the sacrifice goat (especially when the goat is evil) than it is to understand if that goat was never born the same people would have just brought out a different goat.
Republican and neoliberal presidents are always just empty suits for the oligarchs.
But simple people never pay enough attention, they don’t look past the surface. They’ll never understand how to fix the underlying condition, because they only notice symptoms.
The total lack of selfawareness is staggering.
