• Rindogang@lemmy.ml
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    7 hours ago

    Yeah… people forget that ancient humans survived through cooperation long before states existed and the fights they did have were mostly just over territory and resources. Not some deep evil ‘‘human nature’’

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      6 hours ago

      To be fair, getting people to coordinate gets exponentially harder the more people you have. We evolved to work in relatively small groups, not millions or billions.

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        Yeah true but humans have evolved to cooperate on a large scale, unlike most primates

        The violence we see today has nothing to do with culture clashes or a lack of evolution… it’s driven by inequality. And the state wasn’t created to solve coordination problems, it emerged from inequality to protect those who had too much

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        And yet society has evolved historically towards greater and greater interconnection, rather than fragmentation. Shouldn’t that say something about how human nature depends more on our ever-changing material conditions, than as something fixed and static?

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      I would make the argument that our species resorting to violent conflict over shareable resources is a pretty damning indictment of human nature.

      Tribalism exists, it’s a scientific fact. You can overcome the biases it imposes through cognitive effort, but at a baseline we are predisposed to hate anyone who we believe “doesn’t belong.” That’s not inherently evil, but it is asshole behavior.