lol well when you just google the Wikipedia definition of something it seems pretty dang cool now doesn’t it? Doesn’t change the fact that global US hegemony thru NEO LIBERAL capitalism is a destructive, exploitative and genocidal right wing white supremacist ideology that has caused untold suffering and relies on stealing the resources of other countries (violently, may I add) to maintain US supremacy. And this is usually, not always, done against non white people. Hence the white supremacist part… Since ww2 alone we’ve invaded like 50 countries.
Those don’t seem like bad concepts. I can’t see how consent of the governed, political equality, equality before law, individual rights, and liberty are bad when applied to individuals.
because they are not inherently “bad ideas”. The world isn’t drawn in black and white, good vs evil. Under US electoral laws American Citizens do not have real democracy. We have a false sense of democracy that is controlled by lobbying (money) corporate/private power (money) and agenda based nepotism (money)
This is the problem inherent in capitalism. Sure we have great freedoms of speech and information at our fingertips but you can’t just hand wave away the destruction brought upon the world by right wing capitalist Neo liberalism by saying “well Wikipedia says it’s actually cool and based, so what’s the problem?!”
I’m certainly not trying to dismiss or hand wave away anything. I just don’t understand the hate of liberalism when the defined characteristics seem desirable. I fully recognize that the US no longer embodies those ideals despite the desire of many to see them in place. It seems through the comments on here that the issue is less with the ideals of liberalism and more to do with neo liberalism and the run away capitalism and unchecked wealth built on the backs of others. Am I following that correctly? Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your perspective on this.
There have always been problems, I will never deny that.
Along with that bad and awful shit, there have also been good things too. We live in a world filled with nuance, very few things in it get to be all good or all bad. Pretending otherwise is what breeds the kind of mindsets behind our worst failings as humans. And I hold the opinion that online social media tends to balloon this issue but that’s a drawn out discussion I don’t feel like diving into at the moment.
I will never blindly defend something as we can always learn something new. Case in point, I’m here trying to understand the positions that have a disgust for liberalism and I’m finding great points. Those conversations require some back and forth, but even in that back and forth an open mind can learn new things and change their opinion. My opinion is certainly changing through these conversations at least.
It’s easy to hate the US if you only look at the bad. There are many unforgivable atrocities. Slavery arguably topping that list.
lol well when you just google the Wikipedia definition of something it seems pretty dang cool now doesn’t it? Doesn’t change the fact that global US hegemony thru NEO LIBERAL capitalism is a destructive, exploitative and genocidal right wing white supremacist ideology that has caused untold suffering and relies on stealing the resources of other countries (violently, may I add) to maintain US supremacy. And this is usually, not always, done against non white people. Hence the white supremacist part… Since ww2 alone we’ve invaded like 50 countries.
because they are not inherently “bad ideas”. The world isn’t drawn in black and white, good vs evil. Under US electoral laws American Citizens do not have real democracy. We have a false sense of democracy that is controlled by lobbying (money) corporate/private power (money) and agenda based nepotism (money)
This is the problem inherent in capitalism. Sure we have great freedoms of speech and information at our fingertips but you can’t just hand wave away the destruction brought upon the world by right wing capitalist Neo liberalism by saying “well Wikipedia says it’s actually cool and based, so what’s the problem?!”
I’m certainly not trying to dismiss or hand wave away anything. I just don’t understand the hate of liberalism when the defined characteristics seem desirable. I fully recognize that the US no longer embodies those ideals despite the desire of many to see them in place. It seems through the comments on here that the issue is less with the ideals of liberalism and more to do with neo liberalism and the run away capitalism and unchecked wealth built on the backs of others. Am I following that correctly? Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your perspective on this.
Yeah? “No longer”? When did it? When it practiced chattel slavery?
There have always been problems, I will never deny that.
Along with that bad and awful shit, there have also been good things too. We live in a world filled with nuance, very few things in it get to be all good or all bad. Pretending otherwise is what breeds the kind of mindsets behind our worst failings as humans. And I hold the opinion that online social media tends to balloon this issue but that’s a drawn out discussion I don’t feel like diving into at the moment.
I will never blindly defend something as we can always learn something new. Case in point, I’m here trying to understand the positions that have a disgust for liberalism and I’m finding great points. Those conversations require some back and forth, but even in that back and forth an open mind can learn new things and change their opinion. My opinion is certainly changing through these conversations at least.
It’s easy to hate the US if you only look at the bad. There are many unforgivable atrocities. Slavery arguably topping that list.