I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.
Because it is so convenient. He’s way down in the polls with no chance of recovery. He needs an excuse for martial law to keep the elections from happening. He is so unfit to speak and be seen publicly that they need an excuse why he can’t be out in public. And, it worked last time to get him elected. Although this time I don’t think they killed an spectator.
real one would have succeeded
I was watching the Minnesota Denver game when they interrupted the game to show the WHCD. It didn’t seem like there were shots fired. Everyone in the crowd seemed a little concerned but not like they had heard gunshots. So it seems unlikely that gunshots were fired.
Trumps team is so full of shit that it doesn’t feel crazy to think they would stage assassination attempts in order to garner some kind of support.
Whether this was staged or not is up for debate, but calling this guy a shooter is misinformation. Show me where this guy fired any shots. The officer that was shot in his bullet proof vest was hit by friendly fire, all shots fired were by law enforcement. If I’m wrong direct me to where there’s creditable evidence that says otherwise.
Because it looked staged, dude never did one before, made a big stink about going, then suddenly a half naked man is there? Nah, fake as fuck. All of the attempts were fake so far.
At this point I’ve seen people spread this theory even if they don’t really believe in it. It’s ammunition in a propaganda war. It seems like it’s needed.
It seems like it’s needed.
I don’t think misinformation is ever helpful, really. It has proven to be pretty toxic for society at large. I think we should avoid it. I know Trump spews this stuff constantly but that’s also one of the main reasons why he lacks credibility. We shouldn’t forfeit our credibility, too. I know the left is struggling in the US right now, but there are many reasons for that. The left’s distaste for misinformation is not one of those reasons.
There is no objective truth. If you learn nothing else about life, learn that.
There is what you believe the evidence points to being the most likely sequence of events. That’s it.
Is it likely that Trump was the trigger to end a 40 year streak of presidents not having assassination attempts? Really? You don’t think every Snaggletooth with a gun in BFE Alabama actively planned to shoot Obama and would have at least made the news in an attempt? Is it really likely that the single most expense set of secret police in world history – a group of organizations with NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY and a history of human rights abuses worse than any other group in known world history, have failed multiple times to stop random kids with guns that magically fire the wrong caliber bullets?
No. It’s not likely Americans magically grew a spine for Trump, who is just the average American President without an tact or competency for secrecy.
What is likely is the WWE Superstar, whose only goal in life has been to be in Hollywood, has a stage director and keeps trying to garner sympathy with these fake attempts.
“There is no objective truth. Except for this: there is no objective truth.”
There is no objective truth
If this is true, then wouldn’t the idea that ‘there is no objective truth’ itself be an objective truth? Seems like this view leads to contradictions. There are also things that are obviously objectively true. Two and two make four. Is that not objectively true? Climate change is real. Is that not objectively true?
Is it likely that Trump was the trigger to end a 40 year streak of presidents not having assassination attempts?
Yes. He is by far the most hated president in recent history. And political polarization in the US is probably the highest it’s been since the 1960s.
Is it really likely that the single most expense set of secret police in world history – a group of organizations with NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY and a history of human rights abuses worse than any other group in known world history, have failed multiple times to stop random kids with guns that magically fire the wrong caliber bullets?
Yes. In general, the US government seems pretty incompetent right now. This is just a continuation of that trend. Also, Trump is still alive despite multiple attempts on his life. So in a way, they’re kind of not doing that bad? Obviously they’ve had a number of significant missteps but in the end they seem to always achieve their goal of protecting his life.
I don’t know if the event was faked or not, but I think we should really resist the temptation to say it was faked just because we want it to be fake.
Thanks.
The US Fox News channel cut off one of its own reporters just as she seemed about to give away what people are saying is foreknowledge among Donald Trump’s inner circle about the ‘assassination attempt’ at this year’s White House Correspondents Dinner.
I can’t seem to find the source for this. Maybe it’s there and I’m just missing it. Could you point me in the right direction?
Sorry idk how to do a piped link. There’s lots of stories about it if you look up her name, Aishah Hasnie.
Thanks
Trump’s whole term in office has been difficult to follow. What’s going on now? What’s the truth and what isn’t? Politicians lie, but trump is the best at misinformation.
The thing is that we don’t know, but because of the environment his administration has created, you have to doubt everything he says and be skeptical of every event they’re involved in.
The conspiratorial culture of the far right is infecting every aspect of his administration. At this point it doesn’t really matter what’s true and what’s fabricated, so long as it can be spun into a media event to feed his ego.
I need to take a break from the Internet.
I trust Trump to do whatever makes him have more wealth and power and its easy to see how he would use this to claw at both.
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Just another episode of trump whatever show. Who cares. I stopped watching that series months ago. It just got too stupid
seems you’re tuning in still…
I don’t care, do you?
I mean, yeah, kinda. I’m curious
It’s reading less like you’re curious and more like you’re looking for an opportunity to “soap-box”. You keep asking for sources when @[email protected] provided links yet you’re still feigning ignorance of context asking for more sources.
I’m neither side atm, letting the dust settle and seeing if anything comes of it. What’s particularly weird is accounts like yours or others like @[email protected] and @[email protected] who are hitting up every single post with their outrage about anyone considering conspiracy. It’s just literally internet gossip about a failed assassination while pointing out all the events in these posts, yet you guys are twisting it as some moral perversion and are hellbent on trying to discredit anyone with an opinion on the matter.
It’s reading less like you’re curious and more like you’re looking for an opportunity to “soap-box”.
Why do you think this?
You keep asking for sources
Why is this a bad thing? I’m asking for sources so I can look into it myself and gather more information. This is exactly the sort of behaviour you would expect from someone who is curious, so I don’t understand why you’re doubting my curiosity. And wouldn’t a lot of people providing a lot of sources make your case for a conspiracy stronger? I really don’t understand why you’re taking issue with this.
I’m on your side man, but this is one of the tactics trolls/propaganda bots use. It’s called sealioning if I remember right. The idea is to shut down discussion by shifting the burden to the other side asking for “sources” while contributing nothing to the discussion. Real easy to ask for sources, harder to provide and explain them.
It sucks that this is where we are.
What’s weird is getting pushback when saying “this is unproven”. No one said anything about moral perversion, we’re rightly concerned that “the left” is gullible enough to jump on a bandwagon and within a couple hours people are acting sure that this was a staged event. This is right wing wacko behavior. It’s not a moral issue, it’s a mental stability issue (or intelligence issue maybe?).
Now, I don’t know why you tagged people here other than to stir up some shit. Maybe don’t do that?
Don’t use a Lemmy feature to add context to my comment? I specifically tagged and addressed you directly instead of getting into your myriad of arguments across multiple posts.
What people are posting and linking isn’t “unproven”. They’re factual events that took place and their opinion on the matter which you seem to have a problem with both.
What people are posting and linking isn’t “unproven”.
Do you think the assassination being faked is proven fact? I think even most people who think it was faked wouldn’t go this far
You specifically summoned people here to argue with. No one believes that you took the time to @ us because that somehow was helpful to anyone unless they too were looking to argue.
“I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating” - I think we’re well past insinuating. Straight out declaring would be more accurate now. The man has no credibility left. No one trusts him with the truth, their money or their daughters. If I was a betting man I’d say his foreign handlers are already lining up the next candidate for the world stage. You can also tell, by the way, that none of the big media channels are buying it either. All you need to do is compare their coverage now with at the coverage of the assassination attempts of previous presidents. When Reagan got shot the whole world stopped to look. It was literally everywhere. This, so called, “attempt” was a small front page story that will be gone in a couple of days. The mid terms are coming. I expect more and more panicked moves between now and November.
I agree he has no credibility. But is there any other reason besides that to think it was faked?
Just a bunch of suspicious actions lining up. obviously no one has come out and said “We are planning a false flag operation to fake an attempt on trumps life”
But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…
and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)
and a source in the white house leaking that it was planning a big mic drop event for the dinner about a week before hand
and you have trump, a known coward, who typically panics and looks for cover, sitting there smirking while its happening (No flag to drop down from a crane to make a big posed picture for this time, sadly)
and the inevitable question is… what would he gain from it if it is true? And the answer is, a lot… especially when you consider what he faces after the midterms… which is impeachment and possible 25th amendment invocation… not to mention the rest…
Like His poll numbers are at historic lows. His cult is disintegrating around him, he failed in his attempt to rig the midterm elections with the SAVE act not getting passed, and as a whole popular opinion is turning against him and the republicans, to the point that even Republicans are expecting major across the board losses come the midterms.
What better way to try to reclaim some of his popularity, his polling, and his cult, and try to rally republican voters for the midterms than with another assassination attempt? Especially since the last big one (the one that supposedly shot him in the ear, that was magically healed with no scars/trauma/etc a week and a half later) did so much to boost his polling and popularity.
like I said in the very first sentence, no ones gonna come out and straight up admit that this is what factually happened, but a skeptical look at the facts at hand, and what we know about Trump and his personality… It seems like a plausible scenario to assemble from the pieces we have.
But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…
and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)
Where can I find more info on this stuff in particular?
https://lemmy.world/post/46078842/23420614
I compiled some links on that post.
Thank you
No prob man, and my links arent the only ones that exist. Try to find some on your own after lookin at them. Its good to get several perspectives.
Who made millions off the Polymarket bet that Trump would have an assassination attempt again?
Knowing how Trump works, if there is no bet, I’d say that’s proof it wasn’t a conspiracy. But the opposite holds true, too.
There was a polymarket bet?
I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me
I’m going to take that as a ‘no’ then
You’re as bad as a redcap, spreading disinformation because it “wouldn’t surprise you”
Sarcasm and frustration is not disinformation. People who read such comments as literal “disinformation” need to take some responsibility for vetting the information they’re consuming. Use some common sense to judge the quality and source of the comment before you decide it’s an intentional effort to deceive you.
I agree with you generally speaking but I don’t think the sarcasm was very obvious in the initial comment. And given the context (a post asking “Why do people think X?”) it does come off as a bit misleading.
There were bets on Trump saying certain words. Since it was canceled, he said none of them. https://polymarket.com/event/what-will-trump-say-during-whca-dinner-on-april-25
Allegedly there was also a bet for “Trump won’t speak at the dinner” but I can’t find seem to find it
There is going to be polymarket bets on anything trump does tho. Bets on him saying certain words seems pretty run of the mill to me
Sure, but a clear financial motive always creates suspicion.
Which polymarket bet? What is your source?
He’s not a journalist, he’s not “reporting facts” on lemmy. He’s saying it wouldn’t be surprised if someone DID place a bet, like the special forces guy who got arrested for a polymarket bet. Maybe try to chill for a second.
Then my eyes can only roll further into the back of my head as this platform degenerates into Q level conspiracies based feelings rather than facts.
it’s Lemmy, most sources are people’s ass.
The response was too canned and uniform. There’s no fact finding, no actual concern for what happened here its all just rhetoric aimed at curtailng free speech. Add in the FBI director weighing in way too early and it all points to a setup.
There’s a real possibility the guy that did the shooting is the target of an FBI entrapment scheme or something similar.
I go with the arguments I do with 9/11, it wasn’t an inside job. The government and president knew they were going to be happening, they chose to let them happen.
