I’m in recovery and ever commercial is “the bold refreshing taste of uncle berry lemon twist vodka. Having a bad day? Drink this. You know you want to. Drink it Michael! please drink responably
Every ad portrays drinking as a party, and your in a pool throwing a beach ball with your friends, and your ex Chrissy finally admits she was wrong. It’s an unrealistically positive. If you drink Tito’s your father in law will finally grow close to you. It’s not Christmas without even Williams egg nog!
There is no safe amount of alcohol to drink. It is like cigarettes, entirely bad for you.
I’m not saying don’t sell it but why is every add for booze being blasted every. Especially to me because the algorithm knows I’m an alcoholic.
How is that legal?
Please drink responsibly? You’re aiming your ads at alcoholics primarily.
It’s like advertising morphine on skid row. You know what you’re doing.
r/USdefaultism
is what I’d say if this were reddit lol
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who tf is we?
all advertisement is bad. best to avoid all of it. use the fediverse, don’t use commercial internet platforms.
We don’t, alcohol adverts are just as illegal as tobacco. Of course; that might not be the case everywhere on the planet :P
OP is talking about the US
Weird, I see no mention of this “US”, how are we supposed to know?
Aka “the default place”.
Advertising is weaponized pollution. All of it. In any shape or form. It is littering and spreading garbage for profit.
Bill Hicks had an excellent suggestion for those in that industry.
You know when you see an advertisement for a casino, and they have a picture of a guy winning money? That’s false advertising, because that happens the least. That’s like if you’re advertising a hamburger, they could show a guy choking. “This is what happened once.”
Mitch Hedberg
It took decades of fighting to get smoking banned, and if everyone and their uncle didn’t have a parent dying of lung cancer, it probably wouldn’t have happened.
People have smoked for pretty much all of human history and I don’t think it’s going to stop anytime soon.
basically alcohol gets a pass because its a drug that has been in use since the stone age. Im a big “victimless” crimes person and I would like to see much legalized but I would like them all put into a category where its allowed at home or at licensed establishments and advertising is limited to private residences or at businesses that are in the category. I would restrict the signage for the businesses to. So the brothel, race track, casino, dispensiary, liquor store would look rather non descript from the outside but all would have controlled entry to only allow adults and inside it would likely be filled with ads for other establishments.
I agree with everything. I want to add, a lot of drugs have been used since the stone ages. Animals, not just humans, tend to use drugs fairly commonly. It’s only a modern thing to think they’re purely bad.
With that said, modern drugs often remove them from their cultural context, and are in higher purities and larger quantities than are naturally available. Chewing on a coca leaf is a lot different than doing cocaine, even though they’re largely the same thing (though the coca leaf has a lot of stuff that’s removed in processing to make cocaine). Cultures where it’s common, it doesn’t cause nearly the same issues as cocaine does in other places, because they don’t have the same culture around it and are sometimes getting a lot more.
I agree though; people should be allowed to do what they want. The government shouldn’t be deciding it for them, and neither should advertising. They should be free from pressure either way to decide what they want to put into their body.
yeah its kinda wild that cocaine was in coke but and there is nothing about mass withdrawls when it was taken out. It was a small amount and ingested though and who knows how it was obtained form the leaf at that time. I had a convo with an indian coworker around this topic and they mentioned their grandma chewing something that was like the basis of opium and it was just normal back then.
There’s a whole lot of victims of alcohol tho
yeah and a whole lot of casual users. kinda the same with it all but it does vary and obvious some are so powerful they have been used to make slaves. its like any self destructive behaviour though. hard to draw the line for other people without taking away self determination.
I agree with all that but is lime to see a tax on it to fund treatment centers.
Not sure where you live, but I think basically every state in the USA has an extra tax on alcohol.
Look up “sin tax”
I don’t think much, or any, of that is going to recovery programs though.
oh yeah. I actually think everything should have at least a small transaction tax like 1% but thinks that are bad for you do a bit more. Man would day trading come down if that was the case.
Maybe day trading isn’t a very good thing. These VCs are gutting good business to make profit for one quarter and bouncing. Maybe the stock market should be regulated in some way.
That’s how dispensaries in IL already are.
I see billboards for them all the time. the advertising is certainly not restricted. it and the casinos is the thing that got me. I like the legalization but hate the advertising.
Same could be said about onlyfans tbh
Ok yeah billboards. I forgot about those. Still, the storefronts I’m aware of are pretty neutral.
yeah but this should be the case with liquor stores as well. So basically the only way you should see an ad for any of the other adult activity is by being at one of the adult activities. as an aside though illinois implementation like a lot of illinois is sorta minimal. Really annoyed at the grow restrictions. Sorta hope it gets improved once they can’t suck so much revenue form the surrounding states.
Big Booze
They have better
briberslobbyistsbribes
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Bit of a shot in the dark, but seems like cigarette companies have lied in front of congress / courts saying cigarettes are healthy / not bad for you and have been caught red handed in their lies.
Big alcohol hasn’t ever done anything that egregious. Everyone knows its not exactly healthy to drink, and Big Alcohol doesn’t seem to have ever argued that. I know there’s the occasional “a glass of red wine is good for your heart” stuff, but they’re also not making any attempt to deny a gallon of wine per day will probably cause cirrhosis, ya know?
Just FYI, the 1 glass a day study didn’t exclude ex alcoholics, so they polluted the zero-glass-a-day group with bad health making the 1-glass-a-day look healthier in comparison.
The study has been redone and it shows that the less alcohol you consume the better it is, no exceptions.
Yeah, in terms of individual health, I have no doubt that avoiding alcohol all together the best bet.
Personally, I subscribe to a flavor of “social lubricant” take on alcohol. That is, being a human and managing all the required social interactions and minor slights, stressors, stigmas, etc is a lot. And alcohol works to turn off some of the parts of the brain most active in social situations. That is to say that alcohol (and/or other mood altering drugs) are bad for the individual, but good for society.
Do need to caveat that take with: there’s a left and a right to what’s acceptable levels of intoxication. I don’t think the world would be better with everyone getting outright shit faced every night, and even a glass every night might be excessive; its easy to fall prey to addiction and that’s undesirable. But also, I don’t think we’d be better off without alcohol all together. I think a couple glasses per week - and not drinking those glasses alone - makes for a healthy enough middle ground.
alcohol … bad for the individual, but good for society
Alcohol is ranked as society’s most harmful drug, because no, for way too many people it’s not just a few drinks per week in a healthy social setting. It’s also one of the few drugs where you can literally die during withdrawal.
Yup, and I think that’s a symptom of how isolating modern society is (as opposed to the disease society suffers from).
I def do not advocate for drinking alone in any quantity, but I would also never advocate to remove alcohol from society. It feels reasonable to conclude that since every society that’s ever had success at some level has had some form of mind altering substance (usually alcohol) that was consumed recreationally and regularly.
You can’t remove it, its too easy to make. It doesnt need to be advertised though.
Well I mean, why stop at just alcohol ads? I say we ban them all.
^^ Only kinda joking there. I do hate ads, esp those that interrupt whatever content I was involved in (TV, streaming, pop-up). Ones that just kinda set on the side are mostly okay (billboards, banner ads, those pamphlets at hotels, etc).
There’s a good reason we’ve had alcohol for almost as long as we’ve had civilization, and I think you hit on some key points of it here. It’s a social lubricant, many important meetings and decisions of history might not have happened without a little drink to loosen some tongues.
That’s not to say that it’s good for you, but alcohol has been present alongside human evolution in sort of the same way that dogs have. We go waaayyyyyy way back together.
Just adding. The liquor industry has been pushing the ‘drink responsibly’ line for decades. Back in the day they tried to get an AA member to sign on as a spokesperson but AA asked the member not to do it and they agreed.
Alcohol has also just been more prevalent in human cultures dating back to prehistory. Some of the earliest evidence we have of permanent human settlements were breweries, theorized to have been built by people who still lived semi-nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyles. That would mean that humans first started making permanent settlements and doing large-scale agriculture only to produce alcohol, and still mainly relied on hunting and gathering for their caloric needs. Other drugs / intoxicants have been used by humans for at least as long, but none have been so central to the development of civilization and culture than alcohol.
Yeah, I could never fly an economy flight without a drink or three to lighten the spirits.
… drink or three…
… lighten the spirits.
I see what you did there.
A few reasons.
First, the alcohol industry has been a lot more sensitive to being perceived as selling to kids than the tobacco industry was. Because of it, there was never the push to ban advertising and conduct a mass media effort to control teen drinking as there was teen smoking.
Second, people still remember prohibition in the USA and how it was a failure. So, you’ve got a lot of people worried about a slippery slope in comparison to tobacco.
Third, the alcohol industry is far better at lobbying around specific items that would actually prevent consumption. For instance, alcoholic beverages don’t need to show nutritional information. It will bend in a way that keeps access open.
Well, there are places where it is illegal. EU for example.
But of course they get around that by advertising their “0.0%” beers etc.
That loophole is closed in Norway at least.
Can’t even advertise for a Heineken T-shirt if you wanted to
Did you guys get rid of that “sändarlandsprincipen” or whatever it is? For beer and such, they usually still do the 0,0% shit, but there’s tons of commercials for wine and liquor, which don’t exactly sell alcohol-free versions…
And if it’s not alcohol commercials in Sweden, it’s commercials for online casinos, which is also supposed to be illegal to advertise.
