Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.

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    IT WAS TOO FUCKING LATE FOR THAT! Harris was the candidate. End of. There was zero possibility of replacing her with somebody more leftist. The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.” That’s it.

    Game theory is MATH, not an opinion!

    Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no! But, being someone who isn’t a goddamn drooling moron, I realized that Trump was even worse and held my nose. That’s how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.

    Nobody was trying to “control people’s opinions;” we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.

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      It wasn’t too fucking late for Harris to change messaging though.

      You failed then.

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        Now you are seeing how it was back then. Imagine the guy you’re responding to, and 100 more just like him ganging up on ya. And just as angry, stubborn, and mad as he is.

        That’s how it was back then. lolol

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        Harris is a neoliberal piece of shit. She wasn’t going to change, no matter how much any of us whined or threatened to withhold our votes over it!

        You could either understand that and work to reduce harm, or fuck up and ruin everyone’s lives because you were too stubborn or stupid to accept factual reality.

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      The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.”

      Or vote third party. Which I proudly did. And will do again unless the Democrats stop fucking shit up.

      Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no!

      So why didn’t you speak up? Was it because you knew Lemmy would censor you? Do you think it’s right to censor someone for what you just said?

      That’s how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.

      The system is like that because you refuse to support third-party support. By you refusing to validate third parties, they don’t have the pull they should have. But if EVERYONE voted third party, guess what? Shit would start to change. You are actually part of the problem, not the solution.

      Nobody was trying to “control people’s opinions;” we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.

      And how did that work out for you? What ended up happening?

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        The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.”
        Or vote third party.

        That’s a lie. “Vote third party” is a subset of “help Trump.”

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          grue, I dont vote for genociders, full stop. Harris was going to continue Bidens support of zionism, thats just a fact. If we must literally feed the bodies of innocents and children into the gears of our “democracy” or it explodes, I say let it explode ASAP, because you’ll just be voting for more genocide next election too, wont you.

          Have the zionists relinquished their hold on the democratic party? No. Have the dem leaders kicked them out? No.

          Maybe if you took the time to take a stand on that too our leaders would see they cant win by taking that position. Your “harm minimization” is short term thinking and just delays the inevitable. Sooner or later this has to happen, so lets do it now instead of after we have even more blood on our hands. You’re just spending other people lives to stall for time.

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            grue, I dont vote for genociders, full stop.

            The blood is on your hands anyway, because you had the chance to reduce harm and refused. In fact, it has accelerated and spread because of the actions of people like you.

            I knew this would happen. I warned people like you that this would happen. And the last year has proven me correct.

            You can deny it all you want, but that doesn’t change reality.

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          Thanks for proving my point. I bet ya miss the lemmy times right before the 2024 election, huh? I bet you hate seeing how many people are pro-third party these days! lolol EDIT: A little too much snark, but poster is definitely showing how angry some people can be when it comes to third-party talk.

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            No, I don’t. Why? Because NOW is the time that we SHOULD be trying to replace the neoliberals!

            Could you quit your trolling for just a goddamn second and actually COMPREHEND what I’ve been writing?!

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              Because NOW is the time that we SHOULD be trying to replace the neoliberals!

              Then maybe you should stop being pissed off and yelling at people who support other parties.

              Could you quit your trolling for just a goddamn second and actually COMPREHEND what I’ve been writing?!

              So disagreeing with you is “trolling”?! I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

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                So disagreeing with you is “trolling”?

                No, this is trolling:

                I bet ya miss the lemmy times right before the 2024 election, huh? I bet you hate seeing how many people are pro-third party these days! lolol

                It’s telling that you never quote yourself when recounting how ‘unfairly’ you were treated.

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                  Meh, fair point. I did go a little far with that line. I’ll edit.

                  But I would love your thoughts on seeing so many people being much more open to third parties on Lemmy now. Because the tide is def turning on that subject.

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                    But I would love your thoughts on seeing so many people being much more open to third parties on Lemmy now. Because the tide is def turning on that subject.

                    It’s great! Because now is the appropriate time for it. Now is the time it can actually work instead of screwing all of us over.