Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.

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    The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.”
    Or vote third party.

    That’s a lie. “Vote third party” is a subset of “help Trump.”

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      grue, I dont vote for genociders, full stop. Harris was going to continue Bidens support of zionism, thats just a fact. If we must literally feed the bodies of innocents and children into the gears of our “democracy” or it explodes, I say let it explode ASAP, because you’ll just be voting for more genocide next election too, wont you.

      Have the zionists relinquished their hold on the democratic party? No. Have the dem leaders kicked them out? No.

      Maybe if you took the time to take a stand on that too our leaders would see they cant win by taking that position. Your “harm minimization” is short term thinking and just delays the inevitable. Sooner or later this has to happen, so lets do it now instead of after we have even more blood on our hands. You’re just spending other people lives to stall for time.

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        grue, I dont vote for genociders, full stop.

        The blood is on your hands anyway, because you had the chance to reduce harm and refused. In fact, it has accelerated and spread because of the actions of people like you.

        I knew this would happen. I warned people like you that this would happen. And the last year has proven me correct.

        You can deny it all you want, but that doesn’t change reality.

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      Thanks for proving my point. I bet ya miss the lemmy times right before the 2024 election, huh? I bet you hate seeing how many people are pro-third party these days! lolol EDIT: A little too much snark, but poster is definitely showing how angry some people can be when it comes to third-party talk.

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        No, I don’t. Why? Because NOW is the time that we SHOULD be trying to replace the neoliberals!

        Could you quit your trolling for just a goddamn second and actually COMPREHEND what I’ve been writing?!

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          Because NOW is the time that we SHOULD be trying to replace the neoliberals!

          Then maybe you should stop being pissed off and yelling at people who support other parties.

          Could you quit your trolling for just a goddamn second and actually COMPREHEND what I’ve been writing?!

          So disagreeing with you is “trolling”?! I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

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            So disagreeing with you is “trolling”?

            No, this is trolling:

            I bet ya miss the lemmy times right before the 2024 election, huh? I bet you hate seeing how many people are pro-third party these days! lolol

            It’s telling that you never quote yourself when recounting how ‘unfairly’ you were treated.

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              Meh, fair point. I did go a little far with that line. I’ll edit.

              But I would love your thoughts on seeing so many people being much more open to third parties on Lemmy now. Because the tide is def turning on that subject.

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                But I would love your thoughts on seeing so many people being much more open to third parties on Lemmy now. Because the tide is def turning on that subject.

                It’s great! Because now is the appropriate time for it. Now is the time it can actually work instead of screwing all of us over.

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                  It’s great! Because now is the appropriate time for it. Now is the time it can actually work instead of screwing all of us over.

                  Cool. That means we have to vote for them in elections though. All elections. Even 2028.

                  Also, the bigger point is that even IF all who voted third party in 2024 would have voted Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big the margin of her loss was. Trump didn’t win because people voted third party.

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                    Cool. That means we have to vote for them in elections though. All elections. Even 2028.

                    No, it doesn’t mean that at all. You have to vote strategically within the system that exists. You have to vote for progressives in primaries and then still hold your nose and vote for the best candidate that can actually win in general elections (which is not the third party candidate, except in some down-ballot races), until there are enough progressives to actually get the voting reform passed. Then, and only then, will it be viable to vote third party as a matter of straight preference.

                    (And even then, the need to vote tactically will never be eliminated entirely, BTW.)

                    Also, the bigger point is that even IF all who voted third party in 2024 would have voted Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big the margin of her loss was. Trump didn’t win because people voted third party.

                    The anti-Harris propaganda also discouraged people from voting at all.