Russia is sending a shipment of drones to Iran including upgraded versions of the drone technology that Tehran originally supplied to Moscow after its invasion of Ukraine, U.S. and European officials told The Associated Press.
Expansions with military conquest is imperialism. Imperialism may use economic coercion but it is not required. Ukrainian people support their current government. Russia does not want to negotiate anything short of full surrender. There is nothing else to add
You can call millitant expansion imperialism, but Marxists don’t have a problem with the word, but the actual, material process of what we call imperialism. Millitant expansion can be done for progressive reasons, like when the Statesian north liberated the slaves in the Statesian south. The actual economic form of international extraction as a special, necessary part of late-stage capitalism is what Marxists are trying to dismantle, due to it being the biggest obstacle to global socialism.
As for Ukrainians supporting their government, you’re half-right. Western Ukrainians tend to support their government, while those in the Donbass seceded from it after the Euromaidan coup, and voted to join the Russian Federation.
Overall, we aren’t arguing about words, but processes. If you insist on calling millitant expansion “imperialism,” then we have to agree to what we call the Marxist understanding of late-stage capitalist imperialism as a special term as well, so that we don’t get mixed up on terms.
You define imperialism as military conquest alone. That renders the term useless. By that logic, every war in history is imperialist. The distinction collapses. Materially, imperialism is the export of capital, the enforcement of unequal exchange, the structural subordination of peripheral economies. That framework explains why the US has 800 military bases globally. Why they can sanction the entire world. Why they support Israel and the constant destabilisation of the periphery.
You claim the Ukrainian people support their current government. Under martial law, with opposition parties banned, media consolidated, dissent criminalized, what does that support actually measure? Polls in a war zone with no free press are not evidence. They are propaganda tools.
You say Russia wants full surrender. That is false. Russia has offered terms: neutrality, demilitarization, recognition of Crimea, self-determination for the Donbas. That is not surrender. That is negotiation. The Donbas has resisted Kyiv since 2014. They have endured shelling, blockade, political erasure. Their preference is not fabricated. It has been tested under fire for nearly a decade. To deny them the right to choose is not solidarity. It is imposition.
You ignored the core of my last message because you have no rebuttal. You cannot refute the NED funding. You cannot explain away the Nulands-Pyatt call. You cannot reconcile your definition of imperialism with the material reality of global capital. You cannot reckon with the fact that US-backed forces shattered Ukrainian sovereignty in 2014, or that fighting to the last Ukrainian for US strategic interests is not in the interest of the average Ukrainian worker. So you retreat to cheap slogans.
If you really stood with the Ukrainian people, you would stand for ending this war. Not prolonging it for US strategic gain. Not fighting to the last Ukrainian. Not sacrificing a generation so Washington can weaken a rival. The position that serves Ukrainian workers is peace, sovereignty, and the right to determine their own future, free from Western patrons. That is the only position that centers human life over geopolitical abstraction.
Not true. I will use wikipedia definition:
“Imperialism is the maintaining and extending of power over foreign nations, particularly through expansionism, employing both hard power (military and economic power) and soft power (diplomatic power and cultural imperialism).”
This perfectly matches both the behaviour of the US and the behaviour of Russia. This does not matches every war in history. It was coined in the 19th century to describe Napoleon III’s attempts to gain political support by invasion.
You claim the Ukrainian people support their current government. Under martial law, with opposition parties banned, media consolidated, dissent criminalized, what does that support actually measure? Polls in a war zone with no free press are not evidence. They are propaganda tools.
You are getting confused with Russia. Free press is allowed in Ukraine. According to Reporters without Borders, Ukraine ranked 62nd out of 180 countries, one of the strongest performance since it’s independence.
Russia has offered terms: neutrality, demilitarization, recognition of Crimea, self-determination for the Donbas.
You are forgetting also all territories currently occupied, the entirety of of Donbas and Luhansk they do not control. Neutrality and demilitarization with an imperialistic power at the border that has attached and conquered their neighbor since it was born as country means letting the door open for further conquest down the line. With no guarantee this is surrender. Russia is not willing to give anything for peace.
You ignored the core of my last message
Because it is irrelevant and a waste of time. US meddle with external country as it is an imperialistic nation. Russia meddle with external countries as it is an imperialistic nation. So what is there to discuss? Who does it more globally? The answer is the US. Who does it more in Ukraine? The answer is Russia. Now that we have this out of the way let’s focus on the core of my first message.
The position that serves Ukrainian workers is peace, sovereignty, and the right to determine their own future.
And the only way we saw this can be achieved for countries that border Russia is join the EU or NATO. Poland is now free, Czechia is now free, Romania is now free, Slovakia is now free, the Baltic states are now free, Hungary is now free (but we need to wait for next election to know if this will remain true).
And the only way we saw this can be achieved for countries that border Russia is join the EU or NATO. Poland is now free, Czechia is now free, Romania is now free, Slovakia is now free, the Baltic states are now free, Hungary is now free (but we need to wait for next election to know if this will remain true).
They’re free alright, freely exploited by Western-backed capitalists and now are vassals.
You continue to demonstrate how you’ve fallen for imperialist propaganda. As has been explained above, the Donbas and its people have been under attack by the Ukrainian government and the AFU for more than a decade now. You are ignoring hard evidence of what really has happened since 2014. The notion that the fighting in the Donbas is only the result of Russian support is a delusion, and you seem also oblivious (likely willfully so) to the fact the Ukrainian government is openly fascist.
The solution for Ukraine that serves its populace the most is peace, sovereignty, and the right to determine their own future, which NATO and EU membership will not give them.
If you deny life in Poland is much better on all useful metrics now that Poland is sovereign and allied with european nations in the EU than before as dominion of the Soviet Union then your brain is rotted and I pity you.
You’re welcome to examine the conditions of Poland prior to the second world war and compare that through the rest of the 20th century. But at this rate, you’ll most certainly dismiss it all as “Soviet Propaganda” as well.
In fact, here’s a snapshot of that industrial growth Poland experienced under socialist governance spanning the 60s through the mid to late 70s, as shown in the 1978 edition of the United Nations Statistical Yearbook.
No, not propaganda, it is reality with data, and totally inconsequential to the discussion. Industrial growth is a small part of all the factor involved in quality of life, and while Soviet growth in the 60s and 70s was real, that stopped in the 80s and 90s causing the fall of the Soviet Union. The same industrial growth was common in all European countries post WW2.
What you should care is the vast majority of poles agree that joining the EU was one of the success stories of the century for Poland, with 70% to 85% saying that life is better under the EU. Poles are some of the most pro EU countries in Europe. The amount of independent pools on this is staggering. You need to be really dumb to not see this. And yes, some people have communist nostalgia, but the vast majority agree that was a dark age for Poland.
Nowhere have I denied it. Even by your own words, the growth during Soviet times improved the quality of life of Poles significantly beyond what they had prior, only halting during the 80s and 90s as the Warsaw Pact collectively entered recession and then endured shock therapy. Are you suggesting that entire period of socialist governance is the dark period or only the 80s and 90s?
Though there has been further growth, income inequality has hugely increased, and there’s the compromises in sovereignty the EU imposes on its member states. Poland is a vassal.
No, Poland is not a vassal. Hungary demonstrates it is quite possible to have a foreign policy that is literally hostile and still being part of the Union. At any time any country can leave the Union as UK demonstrated. So all member in the EU wants to be part of the union, they are not vassal. Poles do not want a communist government influenced by Russia. This is a fact. As of 2022, 97% of poles view Russia unfavorably and 89% view EU favorably. You cannot be more clear than that.
Expansions with military conquest is imperialism. Imperialism may use economic coercion but it is not required. Ukrainian people support their current government. Russia does not want to negotiate anything short of full surrender. There is nothing else to add
You can call millitant expansion imperialism, but Marxists don’t have a problem with the word, but the actual, material process of what we call imperialism. Millitant expansion can be done for progressive reasons, like when the Statesian north liberated the slaves in the Statesian south. The actual economic form of international extraction as a special, necessary part of late-stage capitalism is what Marxists are trying to dismantle, due to it being the biggest obstacle to global socialism.
As for Ukrainians supporting their government, you’re half-right. Western Ukrainians tend to support their government, while those in the Donbass seceded from it after the Euromaidan coup, and voted to join the Russian Federation.
Overall, we aren’t arguing about words, but processes. If you insist on calling millitant expansion “imperialism,” then we have to agree to what we call the Marxist understanding of late-stage capitalist imperialism as a special term as well, so that we don’t get mixed up on terms.
Got any actual evidence for any of those claims?
You define imperialism as military conquest alone. That renders the term useless. By that logic, every war in history is imperialist. The distinction collapses. Materially, imperialism is the export of capital, the enforcement of unequal exchange, the structural subordination of peripheral economies. That framework explains why the US has 800 military bases globally. Why they can sanction the entire world. Why they support Israel and the constant destabilisation of the periphery.
You claim the Ukrainian people support their current government. Under martial law, with opposition parties banned, media consolidated, dissent criminalized, what does that support actually measure? Polls in a war zone with no free press are not evidence. They are propaganda tools.
You say Russia wants full surrender. That is false. Russia has offered terms: neutrality, demilitarization, recognition of Crimea, self-determination for the Donbas. That is not surrender. That is negotiation. The Donbas has resisted Kyiv since 2014. They have endured shelling, blockade, political erasure. Their preference is not fabricated. It has been tested under fire for nearly a decade. To deny them the right to choose is not solidarity. It is imposition.
You ignored the core of my last message because you have no rebuttal. You cannot refute the NED funding. You cannot explain away the Nulands-Pyatt call. You cannot reconcile your definition of imperialism with the material reality of global capital. You cannot reckon with the fact that US-backed forces shattered Ukrainian sovereignty in 2014, or that fighting to the last Ukrainian for US strategic interests is not in the interest of the average Ukrainian worker. So you retreat to cheap slogans.
If you really stood with the Ukrainian people, you would stand for ending this war. Not prolonging it for US strategic gain. Not fighting to the last Ukrainian. Not sacrificing a generation so Washington can weaken a rival. The position that serves Ukrainian workers is peace, sovereignty, and the right to determine their own future, free from Western patrons. That is the only position that centers human life over geopolitical abstraction.
Not true. I will use wikipedia definition: “Imperialism is the maintaining and extending of power over foreign nations, particularly through expansionism, employing both hard power (military and economic power) and soft power (diplomatic power and cultural imperialism).”
This perfectly matches both the behaviour of the US and the behaviour of Russia. This does not matches every war in history. It was coined in the 19th century to describe Napoleon III’s attempts to gain political support by invasion.
You are getting confused with Russia. Free press is allowed in Ukraine. According to Reporters without Borders, Ukraine ranked 62nd out of 180 countries, one of the strongest performance since it’s independence.
You are forgetting also all territories currently occupied, the entirety of of Donbas and Luhansk they do not control. Neutrality and demilitarization with an imperialistic power at the border that has attached and conquered their neighbor since it was born as country means letting the door open for further conquest down the line. With no guarantee this is surrender. Russia is not willing to give anything for peace.
Because it is irrelevant and a waste of time. US meddle with external country as it is an imperialistic nation. Russia meddle with external countries as it is an imperialistic nation. So what is there to discuss? Who does it more globally? The answer is the US. Who does it more in Ukraine? The answer is Russia. Now that we have this out of the way let’s focus on the core of my first message.
And the only way we saw this can be achieved for countries that border Russia is join the EU or NATO. Poland is now free, Czechia is now free, Romania is now free, Slovakia is now free, the Baltic states are now free, Hungary is now free (but we need to wait for next election to know if this will remain true).
Lol. Just straight up denying what you said in the last comment as if people can’t just go back and read it
They’re free alright, freely exploited by Western-backed capitalists and now are vassals.
You continue to demonstrate how you’ve fallen for imperialist propaganda. As has been explained above, the Donbas and its people have been under attack by the Ukrainian government and the AFU for more than a decade now. You are ignoring hard evidence of what really has happened since 2014. The notion that the fighting in the Donbas is only the result of Russian support is a delusion, and you seem also oblivious (likely willfully so) to the fact the Ukrainian government is openly fascist.
The solution for Ukraine that serves its populace the most is peace, sovereignty, and the right to determine their own future, which NATO and EU membership will not give them.
If you deny life in Poland is much better on all useful metrics now that Poland is sovereign and allied with european nations in the EU than before as dominion of the Soviet Union then your brain is rotted and I pity you.
You’re welcome to examine the conditions of Poland prior to the second world war and compare that through the rest of the 20th century. But at this rate, you’ll most certainly dismiss it all as “Soviet Propaganda” as well.
In fact, here’s a snapshot of that industrial growth Poland experienced under socialist governance spanning the 60s through the mid to late 70s, as shown in the 1978 edition of the United Nations Statistical Yearbook.
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But that’s Soviet Propaganda, right?
No, not propaganda, it is reality with data, and totally inconsequential to the discussion. Industrial growth is a small part of all the factor involved in quality of life, and while Soviet growth in the 60s and 70s was real, that stopped in the 80s and 90s causing the fall of the Soviet Union. The same industrial growth was common in all European countries post WW2.
What you should care is the vast majority of poles agree that joining the EU was one of the success stories of the century for Poland, with 70% to 85% saying that life is better under the EU. Poles are some of the most pro EU countries in Europe. The amount of independent pools on this is staggering. You need to be really dumb to not see this. And yes, some people have communist nostalgia, but the vast majority agree that was a dark age for Poland.
Nowhere have I denied it. Even by your own words, the growth during Soviet times improved the quality of life of Poles significantly beyond what they had prior, only halting during the 80s and 90s as the Warsaw Pact collectively entered recession and then endured shock therapy. Are you suggesting that entire period of socialist governance is the dark period or only the 80s and 90s?
Though there has been further growth, income inequality has hugely increased, and there’s the compromises in sovereignty the EU imposes on its member states. Poland is a vassal.
No, Poland is not a vassal. Hungary demonstrates it is quite possible to have a foreign policy that is literally hostile and still being part of the Union. At any time any country can leave the Union as UK demonstrated. So all member in the EU wants to be part of the union, they are not vassal. Poles do not want a communist government influenced by Russia. This is a fact. As of 2022, 97% of poles view Russia unfavorably and 89% view EU favorably. You cannot be more clear than that.