In the context of this shitty situation, this is pretty much the absolute least controversial point of the whole thing. Iran supplied shaheds, as well as the design (which Russia proceeded to refine and mass produce and use against Russia). Iran has effectively been actively hostile towards Ukraine for years before Operation Epstein Feelings kicked off. What the actual fuck did they think was gonna happen?
To be clear: the Iran War is absolutely, categorically, pants-on-head stupid, and is an awful idea for a multitude of reasons from a multitude of domains. But this specific aspect of it is entirely uncontroversial.
So those Shahed drones sent to Russia weren’t active participation then?
This is what fucks me off about the war Israel/USA vs Iran. Its all well and good being critical of America, what theyre doing is illegal, fucked up and moronic.
But don’t ever forget that Iran is a despotic, theocratical regime that only last month murdered thousands of its own civilians who tried to speak out.
Both sides in this war are shits.
Yep. It’s bad people doing bad things for bad reasons to other bad people, and the plebs get caught in the meat grinder.
Same as it ever was, I guess.
I’ve no support for Iran, but if you’re going to mention how awful a state is who murders thousands of people, well then, Israel is even worse. Not only higher numbers but a genocide to boot.
Ukraine has consistently supported Israels actions, which I guess it was for material support.
Let’s not forget that the USA and Israel started this illegal war.
There are no good guys in any of this, we can agree.
Edit: dropped “the” from Ukraine as apparently its a Russian dog whistle. Never knew that, sorry.
Completely agree.
If this war was a coalition of nations acting under the lawful mandate of the UN then I’d be broadly supportive of it, especially if the goal was to remove the regime and allow freedom and democracy to be restored.
But it isn’t, its being carried out by an equally genocidal regime being propped up by a demented orange pant shitter
Coming from an anarchist perspective, there’s nothing to be confused about here.
Every state is evil and shitty, and they should all be abolished. (But especially states that invade other states and kill their people.)
100% Agree!
The Ukraine
Confirmed Russian viewpoint.
Or it could be someone who didn’t get the memo, or their native language could be like this too (they could be German, for instance). WTF fucking chill out, dude.
That’s my opinion as well, rooting for any one party in this stupid war is idiotic at this point, basically two elephant fighting, and the victim is the mouse deer in the middle.
why would the Ukraine attack another country while already at war with russia? Not like they’d want to fight two battles.
the Ukraine
It’s just Ukraine.
‘The Ukraine’ is a Russian dogwhistle.
oh wow. I just did a bit of a skim of an article, and ukrainians themselves have said it’s just “ukraine”. My apologies to them :(
You’re good :)
I never knew this. Thanks for letting me know.
Not necessarily true, the Ukraine is also acceptable in British English and other languages put a definite article in front of Ukraine, if you are translating to English as a second language
To add another layer of absurdity to this linguistic debate, both of the native languages (Ukrainian/Russian) entirely lack definite articles such as “the”. Russian/Ukrainian doesn’t even have a word for “the”.
For example, when translating “A cat is on the table” to either Russian or Ukrainian (the two languages are pretty similar), you’d end up with what would translate back most literally as “Cat is on table.”
Including it or not only becomes an issue when translated into other languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
Ukraine is one of a few English country names traditionally used with the definite article the.[3] Use of the article was standard before Ukrainian independence, but has decreased since the 1990s.[4][5][59] For example, the Associated Press dropped the article “the” on 3 December 1991.[5] Use of the definite article was criticised as suggesting a non-sovereign territory, much like “the Lebanon” referred to the region before its independence, or as one might refer to “the Midwest”, a region of the United States.[60][61][62][f]
In 1993, the Ukrainian government explicitly requested that, in linguistic agreement with countries and not regions,[65] the Russian preposition в, v, be used instead of на, na,[66] and in 2012, the Ukrainian embassy in London further stated that it is politically and grammatically incorrect to use a definite article with Ukraine.[3] Use of Ukraine without the definite article has since become commonplace in journalism and diplomacy (examples are the style guides of The Guardian[67] and The Times[68]). According to U.S. ambassador William Taylor, “The Ukraine” implies disregard for the country’s sovereignty.[69] The Ukrainian position is that the usage of “The Ukraine” is incorrect both grammatically and politically.[3]
Ukraine has a fucking bone to pick with Iran. They have been supplying Russia with drones that are killing their people. They also have the most experience and expertise in dealing with them and want to leverage that for securing aid for their own war of survival.
While it’s true that Ukraine is not attacking Iran, they have sent military personnel to assist defending against incoming Iranian attacks, so the US and Israel can continue their war in Iran instead of diverting more resources to protect GCC countries.
So I’d argue both statements are true: Ukraine is not attacking Iran, but they are supporting the US and Israel.
Given that Iran has been giving support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, I’d say that’s fair.
My comment was not intended as judgment, but I think so too.
A case of pot meets kettle
Either what Ukraine is doing is not okay, or what Iran was/is doing is okay. It’s really that simple.
