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    primaries a bit disapointing here. very heavy machine type push against progressives. biss one against kat. its not that biss is so bad but kat would have been a huge message to the party. an old school bumped a progressive assessor out. quigley kept his seat. Thing is its not like the canidates are bad I just wanted more of a progressive shakeup.

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      I feel like I’m reading a bad Google translate. What does “biss one against kat” mean? What’s a progressive assessor?

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        sorry bis and kat were canidates running against each other in the primary for a house seat a progressive assessor was a non machine canidate who won last time but got pushed out by an old school family name in the area. He actually did very well considering its a period where assesments had to go way up. I almost thing the machine party types did not want to win for a term so that someone else could deal with it and then swoop in.

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    Meanwhile, here in California we’ve got so many Democrats running for governor, we are almost certain to have a MAGA governor of the worst kind.

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    shows that voters are being given a choice

    Illusion of choice, the party will always get who the party wants. And the few that may find their way in will either be forced to comply with the party or be primaried

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    Big deal. Knowing the voters, theyd just sit it out again then blame the party for shitty options.

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      I didn’t sit it out, but the loss was well earned. I wouldn’t be surprised if we learn 50 years from now that the party, controlled by money, intentionally drove this country to the right.

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    The ideal Senate Democrat should have centrist views, young, a military veteran, articulate, and a family man. Prince Harry would be an example if he were a US citizen and had centrist views.

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        Most people do not have extreme left or right views. In Germany, Merz with his centrist views beat the rising far right AfD party.

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          Maybe, but a centrist will not actually address the underlying issues that make actors like AfD, and the Trump-wing of the Republican party, get bigger and bigger.

          To put it differently: a Bill Clinton-type might manage to get elected and be popular, but he wouldn’t do anything to keep inequality from rising even more.

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            Incorrect. Merz adopted a stricter stance on immigration but not as harsh as the AfD party. Likewise, a centrist Democrat could be tough on border security but give migrants already here a path to citizenship. Inequality can never be completely eliminated because people aren’t equal in talent.

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              Merz adopted a stricter stance on immigration but not as harsh as the AfD party. Likewise, a centrist Democrat could be tough on border security but give migrants already here a path to citizenship.

              This has no bearing on what I said, I’ll repeat myself:

              a centrist will not actually address the underlying issues that make actors like AfD, and the Trump-wing of the Republican party, get bigger and bigger.

              Inequality can never be completely eliminated because people aren’t equal in talent

              Nobody is talking about completely eliminating inequality

              We are where we are because we’ve allowed inequality to increase every year since the mid-'70s. Allowing that to continue - especially without establishing an actually leftist alternative (New Deal Democrat or democratic socialist at the least) - will just make the populist right bigger and more extreme.

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                I did address what you said. Adopting less extreme policies of a far-right group undermine its appeal.

                The tax on the wealthy can be increased to lessen inequality but only to a degree because it would decrease the motivation to be rich. Making money is the basis of the capitalist system.

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                  I did address what you said. Adopting less extreme policies of a far-right group undermine its appeal.

                  Ah, okay, fair enough. In practice, though, since the fundamental problems will persist regardless of immigration policy, I think they’re still likely to keep growing in the longer run. They might also just chose to become even more extreme. I’d say we’ve seen this in Europe, with calls for “remigration” becoming part of the alt-right manifestos as mainstream politics has gotten more restrictive on immigration.

                  That being said, it’s not impossible to do a very progressive economic policy, combined with restrictive immigration policies.

                  The tax on the wealthy can be increased to lessen inequality but only to a degree because it would decrease the motivation to be rich. Making money is the basis of the capitalist system.

                  Well, I personally only want to go back to some version of what was the western consensus in the three decades following WW2 - I don’t think that’s very extreme really, but some people think it means I’m basically the ghost of Yosef Stalin :/

                  People innovated and worked hard in the 1950’s too

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        No, Prince Harry exemplifies the qualities of an ideal Democratic candidate. He is young, articulate, has a pretty, intelligent wife and two children, and a war veteran. However, his views would have to be centrist.

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      Fuck centrists. We’ve had 50 years of that and look where it’s gotten us. Pick a side, fascism or the working class.

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        Most voters are not on the extreme left or right. The centrist Merz became chancellor of Germany.

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          Not true. Bernie Sanders was wildly popular before the DNC removed him for not being centrist/right wing enough. He would have won easily. People want a progressive candidate, not a centrist.

          I’m more and more sure you’re just a bot or an intern for some pedo bootlicker the more I see your comments. Take your trash somewhere else

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        Prince Harry exemplifies the qualities of I mentioned except I don’t know whether his views are centrists and of course he is not a US citizen, but John F. Kennedy would be another example.