• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    the media was not even liberal to begin with

    Liberals have been eager for regime change in Iran for as long as their conservative peers.

    Bombing Tehran is one of the few things Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump can agree on.

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          12 days ago

          You’re really pushing this democrats are as bad as republicans thing hey?

          The only problem is we’re seeing that it’s not true and it really feels like people are trying to push this narrative just in time for the midterms.

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            12 days ago

            it really feels like people are trying to push this narrative just in time for the midterms.

            Come on, fart! I see you around all the time on the Fediverse. We’ve been saying this shit non-stop for years. This is just disingenuous.

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              12 days ago

              What’s disingenuous is pretending there’s another option besides democrats and that democrats aren’t significantly better than what’s happening now.

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                We came! We Saw! He Died!

                Who said that? Not Julius Cesar. Cesar’s statement was actually far less bloodthirsty and sociopathic. These are the words of Hillary Clinton gloating that a 70-year-old head of state was sodomized by a bayonet on film.

                Do not come

                Who said that? Not your dom. That has Kamala Harris, telling immigrants of South America who were feeling the devastation that the US has been causing there for decades (both parties) to not seek refuge here because we will torture you, we will kill you, we will put your toddlers in solitary confinement and cause them brain damage, and we will increase the funding and arming and head count of the groups that take these actions.

                There’s a single puppeteer called the owning class. They have two sock puppets, one is red, the other is blue. We are both watching the same play. I say “they’re both sock puppets”. You say “they’re clearly different colors, and one of them curses more and is clearly more angry and racist”. I look at you and say “they’re both sock puppets”

                You get upset because I won’t choose your preferred character in the charade.

                Corporate profits go up under Democrats.

                The US criminal justice system, including the parole system, manages at lease 3x more of our population than any other country in the world. It’s larger than the largest carceral system ever in human history, as a function of population. The American prison system produces over $100B in profit annually, and the prisoners working as slaves produce over $11B in goods and services.

                Oh. Speaking of prison slaves, Bill and Hillary Clinton had black house slaves in the Arkansas governors mansion. They had all the power they needed to hire people and pay them a wage, but they stuck with the tradition of black house slaves.

                How far back we need to go? Truman and Operation Paperclip saving 10k Nazis from justice? Bill Clinton and his selective use of “war for humanitarian aid” dropping depleted uranium on Yugoslavia but not lifting a finger for the actual genocide in Rwanda?

                And of course then there’s the sociopathic sanctions regime, a collective punishment crime against humanity that kills more people than war, and specifically effects children and the elderly. US-led sanctions kill about 800k people annually. This has been true for 50 years. Both parties, my friend. Both parties are killing children.

                They’ve all committed war crimes. They’ve all committed crimes against humanity. They’ve all killed countless children. They’ve all overseen corporate super profits and massive exploitation. They’ve all fought against unions (looking at you, Biden). They’ve all protected the ultra rich. They’ve all expanded the genocidal US military. They’ve all expanded the domestic police force until it’s as large as China’s military. They’ve all expanded federal policing and stripped civil rights in the “Constitution-Free Zone” that 80% of Americans live in. They’ve all been terrible for black people (yes even Obama).

                They’re on the same team - team global domination. Every single scrap the Democrats throw you is the equivalent to the dog whistles the Republicans through to the people you look down on. You’re a better person, sure, but you’re just as easily manipulated. All you need is an AOC photoshoot at the fences of her crying and you know you made the right choice. Never mind that the kids in cages got worse under Biden, that the use of solitary got worse under Biden, and that the death of children all over the planet continued under Biden and got far far worse in Gaza under Biden. At least you voted for the good ones, right?

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                    12 days ago

                    Me too. Because i’d be rubbing all their atrocities in your face and you’d be saying “not in an election year!”

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        12 days ago

        Maybe not Iran. Every US president in recent history has started or escalated bullshit wars for regime change.

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      12 days ago

      I’m using the typical definition of the term liberal, not the online leftist version, though. I know what you are going for, but probably about 5% of the population even grasps the way the online leftists talk about liberals (“shitlibs”) and so on.

      We are talking about a population that hears the beginning part of “Libertarian” and assumes that means the equivalent to liberal. Same thing when it comes to neoliberal policies. I bet the number of Americans that understand what neoliberal entails is vanishingly small.

      Hillary does not seem all that liberal to me in any case, despite what the far right claims about people like her and her husband and Biden and Obama and Kamala…

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        Hillary does not seem all that liberal to me

        She and her husband have been in leadership within the liberal party of the largest liberal government on earth for… what? 16 of the last 24 years?

        If they’re not liberal, who is?

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        11 days ago

        You mean the propagandized definition and philosophical definition, right? Democrats are liberals. Libertarians are liberals. Republicans are liberals.

        From wikipedia:

        Different liberals espouse various and sometimes conflicting views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support liberal democracy, private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.