Socialism is when the workers are in control of the means of production. Supposedly, socialist countries accomplish this by the state being in control of the means of production and the workers supposedly in control of the state. But in reality, the workers are not in control of the state, so the workers are not in control of the means of production, and it’s not socialism.
Out of curiosity who do you think controls the state in China? Do you know how the Chinese state is structured? Do you know how Chinese democracy and political involvement works? What sources did you use to study China, the Chinese government and China’s democratic methods?
Well if you think that it’s capitalism you think the primary contradiction in china is between the bourgeosie and the proletariat. Which of these control the state?
Respond the other questions, give us data, sources, speak with substance if you have any, unless you’re just repeating propaganda, and you wouldn’t do that, right?
Not OC, but I do think its impossible that the goverment not made of worker class representstives can be socialistic (or where worker class is underrepresented).
Just by the simple fact they do not represent the wast masses, they will ultimately be disconnected from workers and/or serve their own petty bourgeoisie interests.
Agreed?
Even ancient Greeks knew that when the representatives in democracy come from rich families they always serve their families first (see sortition, a practice they used to offset that).
Sure buddy, sure.
Take it this way, then:
Socialism is when the workers are in control of the means of production. Supposedly, socialist countries accomplish this by the state being in control of the means of production and the workers supposedly in control of the state. But in reality, the workers are not in control of the state, so the workers are not in control of the means of production, and it’s not socialism.
Out of curiosity who do you think controls the state in China? Do you know how the Chinese state is structured? Do you know how Chinese democracy and political involvement works? What sources did you use to study China, the Chinese government and China’s democratic methods?
Not the workers.
Well if you think that it’s capitalism you think the primary contradiction in china is between the bourgeosie and the proletariat. Which of these control the state?
The workers disagree with you
So you’re a troll? You are just saying things, you haven’t investigated at all?
Respond the other questions, give us data, sources, speak with substance if you have any, unless you’re just repeating propaganda, and you wouldn’t do that, right?
Not OC, but I do think its impossible that the goverment not made of worker class representstives can be socialistic (or where worker class is underrepresented).
Just by the simple fact they do not represent the wast masses, they will ultimately be disconnected from workers and/or serve their own petty bourgeoisie interests.
Agreed?
Even ancient Greeks knew that when the representatives in democracy come from rich families they always serve their families first (see sortition, a practice they used to offset that).