the world is complex, and nazis will use this type of oversimplified comprehension to stop progressive groups from finding common ground.
divide and conquer has been extremely successful for the motives of fascism.
which is no small part why USA is currently run by fascists that keep making threats against my allied country.
we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis.
this is why all the academics keep shouting that americans need to learn to read, and why it really is “that deep.”
this isn’t “happening in my head.” at least any more than anything else from the framing of predictive processing.
but that dismissal is generally the response academics have gotten when trying to affect the general social comprehension.
but you haven’t really engaged with any of the points i’ve actually made, creating your own re-interpretation of the conversation that allows you to ignore the points being made, responding to yourself instead, which is great for oversimplified social dogpiling.
It’s so funny how you’re using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it’s ok to be triggered by ‘fuck nazis’.
Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don’t have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this.
You’re so simple minded that you don’t notice how you’re hooked by this primitive mind trick.
And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious.
justify why it’s ok to be triggered by ‘fuck nazis’.
nobody here is arguing this.
because you can’t interpret the words doesn’t mean they actually mean this.
“fuck nazis” -> good
“if i call your group nazis, and you get offended, you’re a nazi.” -> bad
“don’t call people you disagree with nazis” is a response to the second example. conflating it with the first is the problem.
and i talk about it because it is important for antifascists to comprehend what framing is when it used against them.
and maybe shit wouldn’t be half as bad if americans were socialized into comprehending and using more big words, so they can tell the difference between jordan peterson bullshit and actual attempts to communicate more complicated topics.
hard to talk about the issues if people don’t socialize the words and concepts around them.
So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple.
The meme instructs you to post ‘fuck nazis’ and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words.
There is absolutely no reason to react to ‘fuck nazis’ with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis.
This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That’s not an experience the average person makes.
So it’s very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for.
“i’m going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that’s convenient for me.”
literally what MAGA cultists do.
“don’t call people you disagree with nazis!”
is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis ‘nazis,’
such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists.
now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation?
why can’t a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to?
Lol, you’re funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves.
Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don’t feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion.
And of course I’m sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. ‘Uhhh, don’t call people something they’re not, uhhh’. We’re not kindergarten children.
It’s funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent.
we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis.
So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it’s just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this)
social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups
Interesting lingo you use there
Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no “social peacock” might let them think they’re in good company as they’re unopposed? You think calling out “virtues signaling” is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them?
at literally no point was i being “a running dog for nazism”
and repeatedly i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement.
"Interesting lingo you use there "
how can i phrase it without setting off your imaginary dog whistles? also i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics.
i do agree that it’s important to flag nazis as bad, and socially reify that,
but also that we need to be able to point out when the more clever nazis get the stupidest portion of progressives to socialize that other progressive groups are the real nazis, and that even trying to discuss the matter is an admission of guilt.
the original comment i was discussing a bout was talking about the FRAMING.
like saying “right thing for the wrong reasons.” which is important, because sometimes failing to distinguish helps the nazis.
this is the part about blue curtains, but you have not yet actually noticed the point we are making beyond your simpler interpretation of what is being said.
as a progressive and a leftist, i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success.
but let’s keep ignoring all of that, because academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes.
the points you’ve shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism).
there’s now doubt that it’s willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous.
the world is complex, and nazis will use this type of oversimplified comprehension to stop progressive groups from finding common ground.
divide and conquer has been extremely successful for the motives of fascism.
which is no small part why USA is currently run by fascists that keep making threats against my allied country.
we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis.
this is why all the academics keep shouting that americans need to learn to read, and why it really is “that deep.”
this isn’t “happening in my head.” at least any more than anything else from the framing of predictive processing. but that dismissal is generally the response academics have gotten when trying to affect the general social comprehension.
but you haven’t really engaged with any of the points i’ve actually made, creating your own re-interpretation of the conversation that allows you to ignore the points being made, responding to yourself instead, which is great for oversimplified social dogpiling.
It’s so funny how you’re using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it’s ok to be triggered by ‘fuck nazis’.
Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don’t have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this.
You’re so simple minded that you don’t notice how you’re hooked by this primitive mind trick.
And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious.
nobody here is arguing this. because you can’t interpret the words doesn’t mean they actually mean this.
“fuck nazis” -> good
“if i call your group nazis, and you get offended, you’re a nazi.” -> bad
“don’t call people you disagree with nazis” is a response to the second example. conflating it with the first is the problem.
and i talk about it because it is important for antifascists to comprehend what framing is when it used against them. and maybe shit wouldn’t be half as bad if americans were socialized into comprehending and using more big words, so they can tell the difference between jordan peterson bullshit and actual attempts to communicate more complicated topics.
hard to talk about the issues if people don’t socialize the words and concepts around them.
Haha, you still don’t get it.
So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple.
The meme instructs you to post ‘fuck nazis’ and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words.
There is absolutely no reason to react to ‘fuck nazis’ with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis.
This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That’s not an experience the average person makes.
So it’s very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for.
It’s so painfully obvious.
as i said,
the meme does NOT say to call out people offended by “fuck nazis”
there would be no issue if it said that. we all agree with that.
it says to call out people who are offended by being called nazis,
and people who call out the incorrect framing are conflated with arguing a non-existent point, because comprehending framing is too much work i guess
Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis.
Lol. No it doesn’t.
Here is what it literally says:
Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That’s 100% passive.
You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided.
“i’m going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that’s convenient for me.” literally what MAGA cultists do.
“don’t call people you disagree with nazis!” is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis ‘nazis,’ such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists.
now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation?
why can’t a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to?
Lol, you’re funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves.
Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don’t feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion.
And of course I’m sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. ‘Uhhh, don’t call people something they’re not, uhhh’. We’re not kindergarten children.
It’s funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent.
So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it’s just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this)
Interesting lingo you use there
Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no “social peacock” might let them think they’re in good company as they’re unopposed? You think calling out “virtues signaling” is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them?
at literally no point was i being “a running dog for nazism” and repeatedly i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement.
"Interesting lingo you use there "
how can i phrase it without setting off your imaginary dog whistles? also i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics.
i do agree that it’s important to flag nazis as bad, and socially reify that, but also that we need to be able to point out when the more clever nazis get the stupidest portion of progressives to socialize that other progressive groups are the real nazis, and that even trying to discuss the matter is an admission of guilt.
the original comment i was discussing a bout was talking about the FRAMING.
like saying “right thing for the wrong reasons.” which is important, because sometimes failing to distinguish helps the nazis.
this is the part about blue curtains, but you have not yet actually noticed the point we are making beyond your simpler interpretation of what is being said.
as a progressive and a leftist, i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success.
but let’s keep ignoring all of that, because academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes.
the points you’ve shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism).
there’s now doubt that it’s willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous.