Everything? Really? That’s bold. I’ve been around for a while, and I personally can’t remember a time when 3000 armed, masked, untrained and unaccountable thugs were let loose by the federal government on individual cities to openly terrorize, incite, and murder the general population.
It can’t be more clear that he’s trying to normalize this. His message is that we shouldn’t do anything and just let happen because we didn’t do anything before this.
But really he’s just desperate that we don’t fight back. He wants Russia and China to win through Trump decimating the US.
I think it’s more likely that they are trying to break through the walls of capitalist propaganda and make people realize that the USA has always been fascist-oriented and that getting rid of this latest symptom (Trump) will not fix that. After all, fascism is imperialism turned inward. We desperately need a wholesale movement away from capitalism and towards socialism to actually ensure that fascism cannot rise again.
You’re not fighting back, this will blow over in a few weeks and it will go back to business as usual, brown people getting targeted and harassed, white people not so much. Liberals protest individual cogs in the machine, as if replacing e a cog changes the function of the machine. Right now they are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE. They are protesting Trump when they should be protesting the entire oligarchy. Liberals don’t mind fascism as long as they don’t have to see it.
And you’re not doing shit either but trolling, you’re such a tiny cog in the same system but don’t even realize it.
Go outside and learn to actually socialize and organize actual opposition and do something useful with your energy instead of trying to pretend you despise others so you don’t get sad when they say your words are dumb.
Well I can’t assume what the op meant. But I think the spirit is how what’s going on isn’t normal. And I think using an example like that is in itself unique and this is also not normal. Both of those things are rare and if anything prove the point that we shouldn’t be here and we should be alarmed with what is happening.
How about the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Sudan, Myanmar, or any of the other countless places where US capitalism has incited genocide, murder, rape, and torture. Or is it only fascism when it happens inside our borders to white people?
This is normal, you sit there in smug arrogance defending a police state as long as you don’t t have to think about it. Point to where I said do nothing, I said protest the entire system.
There was a shift from voluntary removals (aka tossing them back over the border) to formal proceedings and a change to prioritize recent arrivals, those caught at the border and felons. By 2013, 87% of removals were in this top priority category.
So contrary to whatever edgy narrative you’re imagining in your head, immigration enforcement was nothing like this before.
The ACLU, I know their kind of reporting isnt typical brunch discussion so I see how you could have missed it. And they are referencing the same website you try and claim was uneventful
Neat, appreciate the source. None of that refutes anything in my source and in fact the two paint the same picture. Obama’s policy decision to formalize removals put more cases in the court docket. This (and other factors) put a massive backlog on reviews and they cut corners for the 80% of ostensibly open/shut cases.
Could Obama have done way better? Absolutely. But compared to the previous two administrations keeping things off book, it was still a step in the right direction to bring those to light in the formal process.
You keep saying “brunch” which I assume is to imply that everyone who’s mad now was blissfully unaware of any problems 10 years ago. Not only is that not true but it’s massively disingenuous.
DACA was a bandaid, but even as a gesture it showed an entirely different atmosphere around immigration and reform. Somehow Obama using his executive power to mitigate a problem is the same as Trump telling DACA kids to self deport while ethnically cleansing entire cities?
Everything? Really? That’s bold. I’ve been around for a while, and I personally can’t remember a time when 3000 armed, masked, untrained and unaccountable thugs were let loose by the federal government on individual cities to openly terrorize, incite, and murder the general population.
It can’t be more clear that he’s trying to normalize this. His message is that we shouldn’t do anything and just let happen because we didn’t do anything before this.
But really he’s just desperate that we don’t fight back. He wants Russia and China to win through Trump decimating the US.
I think it’s more likely that they are trying to break through the walls of capitalist propaganda and make people realize that the USA has always been fascist-oriented and that getting rid of this latest symptom (Trump) will not fix that. After all, fascism is imperialism turned inward. We desperately need a wholesale movement away from capitalism and towards socialism to actually ensure that fascism cannot rise again.
You’re not fighting back, this will blow over in a few weeks and it will go back to business as usual, brown people getting targeted and harassed, white people not so much. Liberals protest individual cogs in the machine, as if replacing e a cog changes the function of the machine. Right now they are protesting Trump’s ICE when they should be protesting ICE. They are protesting Trump when they should be protesting the entire oligarchy. Liberals don’t mind fascism as long as they don’t have to see it.
Whether you realize it or not, you are argu8ng for inaction. Stop that.
You can give up if you want, but don’t try to drag others down with you
I havnt given up, I’m protesting the entire system not just the one that dragged me from brunch
And you’re not doing shit either but trolling, you’re such a tiny cog in the same system but don’t even realize it.
Go outside and learn to actually socialize and organize actual opposition and do something useful with your energy instead of trying to pretend you despise others so you don’t get sad when they say your words are dumb.
Pure arrogance on display, I’m in my community weekly to assist in mutual aid, unlike most liberals who protest with social media hashtags
Kent State
1968 in general
So a thing from almost 60 years ago? That was a tragedy and eventually led to a course correction on Vietnam. Hardly an example of “business as usual”
It sounded like you wanted a concrete example within living memory
Well I can’t assume what the op meant. But I think the spirit is how what’s going on isn’t normal. And I think using an example like that is in itself unique and this is also not normal. Both of those things are rare and if anything prove the point that we shouldn’t be here and we should be alarmed with what is happening.
I’m well over 60.
I would think someone alive during Jim Crow would remember Kent State
Millions killed since Kent State by the state. Kent State is remembered because, again, it was a bunch of white people
In a single mass casualty event? Ohh nevermind you’re one of those ml accounts.
When the weak minded have no argument they always resort to ad hominem argumentum
How about the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Sudan, Myanmar, or any of the other countless places where US capitalism has incited genocide, murder, rape, and torture. Or is it only fascism when it happens inside our borders to white people?
Sort of feels like you’re just baiting here. We’re talking about domestic issues in this thread.
Pretty standard .ml take.
Can’t help it if .world doesn’t know fascism when they see it
Yes, yes, America bad. We get it.
Hey, just out of curiosity, did anything noteworthy happen on June 4, 1989?
You talking about the US CIA color revolution that failed?
You’re the one that doesn’t see it. You’re out here telling people this is normal and not do anything
This is normal, you sit there in smug arrogance defending a police state as long as you don’t t have to think about it. Point to where I said do nothing, I said protest the entire system.
Previously, ICE was only set loose to terrorize, incite, and murder the brown population. So yeah, this is pretty much business as usual.
ICEA wasn’t previously “let loose,” the deportation process existed (and happened way too often), but people received due process.
Due process by who, Obama denied due process to 75% of the millions he deported
Lmfao who’s ass did you pull that from?
I’m not an Obama Stan but the immigration policy was pretty tame during his administration.
There was a shift from voluntary removals (aka tossing them back over the border) to formal proceedings and a change to prioritize recent arrivals, those caught at the border and felons. By 2013, 87% of removals were in this top priority category.
So contrary to whatever edgy narrative you’re imagining in your head, immigration enforcement was nothing like this before.
The ACLU, I know their kind of reporting isnt typical brunch discussion so I see how you could have missed it. And they are referencing the same website you try and claim was uneventful
Neat, appreciate the source. None of that refutes anything in my source and in fact the two paint the same picture. Obama’s policy decision to formalize removals put more cases in the court docket. This (and other factors) put a massive backlog on reviews and they cut corners for the 80% of ostensibly open/shut cases.
Could Obama have done way better? Absolutely. But compared to the previous two administrations keeping things off book, it was still a step in the right direction to bring those to light in the formal process.
You keep saying “brunch” which I assume is to imply that everyone who’s mad now was blissfully unaware of any problems 10 years ago. Not only is that not true but it’s massively disingenuous.
DACA was a bandaid, but even as a gesture it showed an entirely different atmosphere around immigration and reform. Somehow Obama using his executive power to mitigate a problem is the same as Trump telling DACA kids to self deport while ethnically cleansing entire cities?
Gtfo you clown