It’s important when you read just about anything from articles to social media comments to even books to ask yourself two questions.
- What is the author of the text I just read trying to get me to believe?
- Who benefits from me believing this?
With all the instructions of “using the word capture regarding any Venezuela president news” to “Hamas under hospital” news and the justification of killing of children, to the biggest lie of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, we can statically say that any news regarding foreign policy related topics are aim to control the narrative and should not be believed.
These news media are private companies and control by billionaire class. Trusting them is not a good idea.
Funny how all of China bots are silent on China’s support of Iran whenever news like this breaks.
china and russia, they both are allies to iran.
Not Iran, but Iranian politicians. I doubt the alliance is doing anything good for the people
Good for them that they want to overthrow their oppressors but depressing they want to replace them with new oppressors in the form of a Shah.
The crown prince advocates for a democratically elected government to replace the current regime.
All these people saying “they want to reinstitute the shah” are basically just making a strawman
All these people saying “they want to reinstitute the shah” are basically just making a strawman
From what I’ve seen, it’s Iranians in the streets but I’ll fully admit I’m far away and I’ve seen little.
If it’s what the people of Iran want, then it’s no one else’s business to decide.
People on lemmy are like “Boo, foreign intervention. No, don’t choose that way! Let me tell you what’s what.”
No he doesn’t. He’s a self declared shah in exile, and he said people should choose between a “constitutional monarchy” and a republic.
Good father was a brutal dictator who disappeared opposition and gave away 80% of Iran’s oil to the US and UK, if you think the US/Israel backed “shah in exile” is really going to establish a democratic government, I have so much bullshit to sell you.
The people will “choose” a monarchy and he’ll be more oppressive than his father, while the western media will show footage of his supporters crying with happiness as proof he’s not a dictator.
he said people should choose between a “constitutional monarchy” and a republic.
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he said people should choose
So, a democratically-held referendum?
Also, in case you don’t know what a constitutional monarchy is, it typically has a parliament and a set of rules which limit the powers of the monarch. Basically all the extant monarchies in Europe are constitutional monarchies. It’s in contrast with an “absolute monarchy,” which is what you seem to be afraid of.
The people will “choose” a monarchy
How do you know that? What makes you so sure? And if it’s what the people choose, then what right do you have to tell them otherwise?
He’s not his father, and his political views are sharply different. Let’s take a look:
Ideologically, he has expressed support for a democratic transition in Iran and has advocated for a referendum to be held in Iran to determine the nature of the future government. Pahlavi has repeatedly called for protests against the Islamic Republic, and has called for the removal of the current regime from power.
According to Australia’s ABC News, Reza Pahlavi believes in the establishment of a secular, democratic and liberal Iran.
Pahlavi has said that he has no intention to take a long-term leadership role in Iran should the current regime fall. He has said the Iranian people must choose the form of rule they prefer, whether constitutional monarchy or a republic, and that a referendum should be held to decide. Pahlavi has said that after the Islamic revolution in 1979, he concluded the merit of “separation of religion from state as a primordial principle and precondition to democratic order”.
In 2024, Pahlavi told the BBC that he prefers that Iran would choose to remain a republic, since he views this political system as more meritocratic.
Pahlavi has advocated for increased tolerance within Iran, arguing for the establishment of watchdogs and the strengthening of civil society in order to avoid the concentration of power in one group. Pahlavi is said to have defended a democratic vision for Iran, advocating for free elections in order to establish a constituent assembly. According to the university of Navarra, Pahlavi “has refused to commit to the restoration of the monarchy”. Pahlavi told European members of parliament that Iran following the demise of the regime would be an ally of Europe and the West.
Bruh no iranians want to have the Shah back
"Can’t Elon Musk do anything? What about Trump?”
Why would you not realize that those two fucks are just as insane as Khomeini?
You know that they’re just salivating over possible reality of doing this themselves. These people have no ethics or morals.
but they’re a different kind of insane /hj
Please overthrow the Supreme Leader already, protesters. It worked for Syria
I never thought I’d see Lemmy so desperately supporting a theocratic dictatorship that allows women to be stoned to death for minor “offenses” to their archaic code, but here we are.
For me it’s not so much supporting the Iranian regime but seriously doubting whether any outside interference will actually help the people. Because when has it ever done so?
For a lot of people on here, tankies especially, anyone that opposes the West is incapable of doing harm and must be defended at all costs. Human rights abuses are ignored so long as they can go “west bad”. Like, yes, the West is indeed bad. That doesn’t excuse the awful actions of the regimes that oppose them nor make it okay.
You’re forgetting that nuance is forbidden. Anyone with a nuanced point of view is obviously a fascist sympathizer /s
Just kidding, fascists and tankies alike have no concept of nuance. They’re cut from the same cloth…
From where I’m sitting, pretty much everyone in power is fucked.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. A tale as old as humanity itself.
Similarly, money is not the root of evil. Desire to get it no matter what, is.
Power and authority are the big root problems
very convenient to label anyone as tankie who is against liberal zionists. No is excusing wrong doings of the iranian govt, however we need to be real here, western regime changes have never been good and particularly how this is openly israel backed is even more problematic. Not to forget govt still has support in iran and in case of regime change it would lead to catastrophic civil war - surely that wont liberate women. I dont support religious theocracy but we need to deal with reality, what happened to the “lesser of two evils” you liberals yap about all the time?
Wait didn’t we get women’s rights in Afghanistan after bombing them for 20 years? Ah nevermind, I already moved on to the next big issue.
It sounds like you are against the protesters, which in reality is supporting the government…
I’m not against the protests, but I am 100% against the installation of a puppet shah through US/Israeli interference and intervention.
There’s no good outcome here?
That sounds dismissive of the actual people protesting there and sounds like they don’t have any say on the matter
Yes. Supporting the government is in reality opposing Zionism. I know it’s hard logic, but bear with me.
There is no alternative to the current government of Iran that is capable of organizing the military to defend against the US and Israel.
If the current government were to fall, the military would have a two-way fight that they would need to navigate, splitting their focus and creating mass paranoia.
It would be almost impossible to tell the difference between a legit revolution and a CIA color revolution, of which we have documented evidence.
So, if you oppose Zionism you must support the Iranian government, and if you support the Iranian people overthrowing their government TODAY then you support Zionism.
But you can be smarter than that and be like the rest of us who want the Iranian people to overthrow their government and since we want that the only way we can support them is by ending the threats from Israel and the US and Britain. If we can end the threats, then the Iranian people will have the safety to manage their own affairs.
Today, they are under siege and must not lose at all costs.
I say if Iranian people want to overthrow the current system then I’m all for it, rooting for the status quo against their will “for the greater good” sounds fucked up to me. Iranian people should be the one deciding the outcome here.
It’s not possible for the people of Iran to decide the outcome. That’s what you’re ignoring. If Iran was completely disconnected from this plane of existence, sure, do it.
But Mossad is literally operating inside Iran and has been for years. During the attempted decapitation attack last year, when Israel shot missiles from fighter jets into apartments of top scientists and politicians, it was also discovered that Mossad was operating entire buildings as forward bases, with large amounts of drones, munitions, and recon capabilities.
Yes, it would be great for the people of Iran to decide, but it would require them to weaken the control and capabilities of the state, which woul guarantee Israeli and US involvement immediately.
The reason the Iranian people are not able to change their government is because they are under siege.
Iranian people are opposing the current government and Israel and US are benefiting from that, it doesn’t mean the Iranese will doesn’t exist or that they’re somehow subjugated or acting in orders by Israel and US. Suggesting that is frankly a bit offensive towards those protesting.
If you’re looking for some pure revolution where there aren’t any outside forces supporting the revolutionaries or benefiting from their actions, I don’t think such revolution has happened in modern times.
Each one if us want that, but at this moment it is not likely
I mean we’ll see if they manage to overthrow it or not. If enough people there want it, even the brutal tactics of the current government aren’t enough to stop it.
Yeah, got a comment removed as „islamophobic“, calling the regime islamofascists, while at the same time rooting for the people of Iran. Some people cannot comprehend, that the enemy of my enemy is sometimes just another dictatorial regime full of assholes.
There is a lot to unpack here honestly. Let me say first that I support the Iranian people in their quest for reforms. For me the second thing is history.
The US has had its hand in regime change in Iran for a long time going back to the 1950s. They helped install a dictator and remove an elected democratic leader. This arguably lead to the revolution.
So people who know history are a little bit bitter with the US and allies bombing the fuck out of Iran while calling their people to rise up.
It’s ok they are a minority, hence the downvotes, I just wish Lemmy would auto hide/fold comments below -3.
Tankies are just nationalists for other countries, it’s why they’re so boring and predictable in their retoric and have no problem dehumanizing anyone they disagree with, especially women. They claim to be “socialist” or “communist”, but really they’re just MLs who worship Stalin (& other dictators) not because of any progress they achieved in the countries they dictated (it was often minimal beyond an initial boom due to getting rid of the previous dictator) but because they said cool rhetoric against the West (often while collaborating with Western capitalists or even Nazis).
They’re also loud and unpopular, the way we beat them on Lemmy is simply to grow the userbase of normal users to the point where the tankies posting their insane takes is just background noise.
My browser (Summit) auto-folds comments below some limit. I don’t know what that limit is, but it’s probably modifiable in the settings somewhere.
When I first made this comment they were up voted and the majority in the thread. Glad to see it reverse
That’s common - One of the tankies finds something to post and immediately calls over his mates to vote. it normalizes after a while in popular posts, but it works in less frequented spaces.
Ive seen alot of liberal zionists here, that should be more problematic to you.
You seem like a trustworthy source. What is the Hannibal Directive?
Never heard of it before. From a quick search it looks like it’s an IDF policy to not allow its own soldiers to be taken as POW (all articles say kidnapped but this is language just used to illegitimatize the forces fighting Israeli oppression) by any means necessary up to and including killing its own service members.
Seems like the policy was invoked and lead to Israel murdering its own civilians at the beginning of the most recent Gaza conflict/genocide.
So yeah Israel being terrible as usual.
What were you trying to bait me into?
Just trying to see if you’re an Israel shill. Like when you suspect that someone online is a Russia bot, you ask for a cupcake recipe. If you suspect someone is an Israel shill, you ask what the Hannibal Directive is. I think it’s a fair suspicious than someone speaking against Iran online, it’s a good chance they’re a CIA/IDF account.
it’s a good chance they’re a CIA/IDF account.
Yeah not really. That’s an insane take actually.
People get so drawn into their camps and start viewing the world in a good or bad binary that doesn’t reflect the real world at all. The world is messy and there are a lot of oppressive regimes, and they often oppose each other. Just because one bad regime opposes another bad regime doesn’t mean that you have to pick one to be “good” and to support.
Well, I choose to believe you’re more than a useful idiot, and are getting paid for your take. But just to be sure, can you write the words “Hannibal Directive”?
“Dance for me so I can determine if you are an idiot or a paid shill!”
While I want to help with your delusions that a horde of paid CIA operatives follow you around all day, you basically said if I do that you’ll call me an idiot.
So I guess I’ll be CIA today
Huh, so it does work, and I was right.
Bro plenty of these anti Iran shills are just liberal idiots who have no object permanence about the region and so are easily moved by corporate media tugging at their heart strings.
In the business they call them useful idiots. Its why neocons have had their way since 2001.
I take your point though that a lot of these online posts are.being astroturfed by Zionists
Heh, you should read my other comments here. I used that exact phrase. I had higher hope though.
Yeah, I haven’t seen this level of media gaslighting since Al Jolani was wheeled into power by the CIA and Turkey.
Your grandpa 95% beat his wife too, hell even your dad depending on your age. Progress is something that happens in times of peace.
Occupying and colonizing only ever stalls that progress. See Afghanistan as example.
Man, I love comparing individual violence against a state that enforces a strict legal gender apartheid.
The USSR had more progressive laws during their civil war than in peace times under Stalin. It’s a leadership question, not a peace question.
Yeah, no. Growth is achieved only through adversity. Take the US, for example. Keep things “peaceful”, you get a complacent population that manages to elect an orange rapid monkey into office. That’s progress? Sure buddy…
Sounds like that weak men hard times bullshit.
Your definition of supporting is not supporting the US and Israel vs Iran War II. So yes, I can believe that.
What I can’t believe is trolls would bother to work little old lemmy threads to work up cause for war.
Such a fun war for your patrons, the US and Israel, as Iran can’t fight back in any real way. Planes are fun.
If you can’t believe paid shills and other bad faith operators are present on lemmy, then you’ve really not been paying much attention…
Apparently, the interactions I’ve had on this have left me convinced there are influence agents, and I may even have had an ai chatbot arguing with me. Either than or a very lazy influence operative.
You wouldn’t think they would bother in such granular detail as working lemmy but I guess with automation and ai there is no limit, social media will be rendered useless from them at some point. It’s already over half of accounts that are thought to be fake, influence agent accounts. Over half of all internet content is written by machines too I believe if I have the statistic right.
I never thought
Jury’s out on that.
Lemmy so desperately
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I don’t see Lemmy ‘desperate’ for anything.
supporting
[citation needed]
I do not see Lemmy ‘supporting’ anything.
You can be my first citation
So we agree you may not know how to cite a valid source.
Dude, there’s not gonna be a peer-reviewed article on comment sentiments in lemmy comments. Just look at the fucking thread and see for yourself
there’s not gonna be a peer-reviewed article on comment sentiments in lemmy comments
or is there?
You can write one, I’m sure you can get it published in a sociology journal as long as you pepper it with enough sideways jabs at “white men” as an abstract entity.
Please. Opposing intervention is not the same as “supporting the regime”. By the way, how did that theocratic dictatorship come to be?
And finally:
This is a garbage gotcha because you assume that I support the US policy of intervention.
I can both acknowledge that the current regime in Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and that the US has no buisness intervening.
I am equally capable of disliking the regime in Iran and the US.
If the regime falls this is great. If the US intervenes and forcibly topples the regime this is bad. As we’ve seen historically that leads to failure.
Maybe don’t support a regime that allows for raped women to be murdered?
but be real, do you see any other alternative?
- Regime continues, becomes even more brutal to suppress dissent
- US interferes and starts a brutal civil war
Be real, there is no revolutionary movement to occupy the power gap, wishful thinking can only get you so far
It is probably chatbots making these dumbass ad hominem arguments.
Yes same with Venezuela, regime bad, therefore war good, opposing war bad. As they are advocating for the worst people in the world to use military force.
That’s all good and well but the fact of the matter is that the U.S. and western allies are intervening, and we have intervened continuously since we overthrew their secular democratic government in 1953. Since the Islamic Revolution overthrew our puppet regime in 1979, we have crippled their economy with sanctions, assassinated leaders and civilian scientists, and bombed their country. Even if you believe these revolts are 100% organic, manifesting spontaneously with no assistance or encouragement from Mossad, CIA, etc (doubtful), the context is that the people have already been victimized and pushed to the brink by western powers as much as their own government. That is context that simply cannot be ignored, particularly since this looks a lot like 1953.
Even if you believe these revolts are 100% organic, manifesting spontaneously with no assistance or encouragement from Mossad, CIA, etc
So do you any proof of that or are you just really really sure that’s true?
the context is that the people have already been victimized and pushed to the brink by western powers as much as their own government
And? Does this mean there’s no possible way that these people are capable of not wanting to live under a theocratic dictatorship? Are you trying to imply they can’t make that decision on their own? If so that’s infantalizing and patronizing an entire group of people.
Or are you suggesting that the whole reason that this oppressive regime is in charge is because of the US? Because that is entirely true. You’ll get no disagreement from me.
Also why are you wasting your time monologing on all the terrible things the west have done to the middle east and Iran? You’ll get no disagreement from me. These were all bad actions. I don’t see how that justifys a theocratic dictatorship that brutalizes its own population.
You can be anti-western intervention and anti-dictatorship. Actually based on your own source you so kindly provided these are one in the same. As you said 73% of dictatorships are propped up by the US.
Mossad LITERALLY tweeted that they are on the ground with the protestors. Also, did you forget history? No not decades ago, last fucking year, Mossad was in Iran, in Tehran, with entire buildings kitted out with drones and munitions and recon and comms gear, coordinating and killing.
Yes there’s oodles of evidence that Israel is literally on the ground in Iran right now attempting to overthrow the government, kill top officials, and disable defenses. What is wrong with your news consumption that you do not know this?
Nono, the Iranian people must please stay quiet and just accept their theocratic overlords, you see. They really don’t like the US, so we must kiss their ass.
There’s also a big push by these people from any retaliation in the US saying it’s “exactly what he wants”.
Stay quite and let dictators do what they like. That’s the go to for dictatorship to continue.
Here’s a source, they explains it well, and better than I could https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T5adNE0bMU
“We either hang together, or we will hang separately.” - George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
““We either hang together, or we will hang separately.” – George Washington” – Michael Scott
Or we setup a zionist regime controlled by west and start a civil war. Theres alot to lose.
Depressing how astroturfed by Zionists Lemmmy has become.
Its becoming a micro Reddit.
I would think not supporting the Iranian regime does not instantly make one a Zionist.
I think this is really the true problem with tankies. They’ll support any oppressive regime as long as it opposes the US.
The problem with liberals, should I can you a liberal? The problem with liberals is they call everyone with a point they don’t understand a tankie.
We can agree that the current government is very oppressive, and we can agree that it would be great to replace them.
What we can’t seem to get across to you is that being able to show your hair everywhere and wear skirts again is not worth giving away the country’s future by giving control of your oil to the US and helping expand your genocidal neighbor Israel. That’s what’s on offer, not freedom and liberation, but liberal/secular civil laws and a puppet dictatorship to ensure you never say you’re unhappy again.
Iran will seem like it’s flourishing, western media will broadcast images of women in bikinis at the beach and the shah being celebrated in parades, economic sanctions will be removed and cost of living will improve for a lot of people, some people will be rich again as corruption runs rampant but that will be reported on as the success of capitalism. The poor will be worse off, the dictator will disappear anyone who dares question him, just like his father did. And Iran will become a country that lives off US subsidies and military contacts, like every other middle eastern country with a US puppet.
Do you think these liberals should read theory?
I’d be fucking happy if they read Dr Seuss
You don’t have to be a Zionist to support the fall of the Iranian regime. In my university there’s a fairly large Iranian community and bro they are begging for Donald Trump not only to bomb, but to even straight up start a full scale invasion. Especially women are so fed up man
i known an iranian in my university that hates the current regime, they definitely wanted it bombed or invaded, ba hai people had been massacred so they have special grudge for it.
In my university there’s a fairly large Iranian community and bro they are begging for Donald Trump not only to bomb, but to even straight up start a full scale invasion
Are those two Iranians 1. willing to participate in the invasion with their boots to the ground, and 2. willing to leave the USA/(whatever comfy western country) and return to Iran to help rebuild after the said invasion?
If not, you should politely ask them to shove a dildo up their anuses.
Nice as hominem fallacy
We are talking about Italy. Yes they will most likely go back to their country to rebuild it since they are here just for studying
lemmy has always been infected with liberal zionist virus. Its sad but it is what it is
Do you think these liberals should read theory?
Nah, you can be the next Syria, or have an American puppet in place to syphon off the country’s wealth.
So let’s just keep the Mullahs, at least then the country’s wealth is siphoned off to individuals with Iranian Passes.
I would love it if the Iranians had another revolution on their terms. However, you’re naive as hell if you think that would happen without western meddling. It’s already the root cause for most of the material conditions that cause these grievances.
Sanctions isolate Iran and actively hurt the common people. Israel and the US are constantly threatening, attacking, and doing espionage meaning the government is in constant threat and has to be more authoritarian to survive. The whole reason for the revolution was the people getting pissed at the Shah, our western puppet from before.
This has been a decades long project that you are being suckered into cheering for.
pissed at the shah was understatement, he was extremely brutal throughout his rule.
I’ve been suckered into this by knowing Iranians who don’t want to live under the Mullahs any more.
And western meddling did not force the IRI to enact a brutal gender apartheid while also effectively putting Persian Iranians above all other ethnicities. Western meddling did not force the IRI to beat Mahsa Amini to death.
The Regime is under constant threat? Good. They should be.
Is Iraq better off now without Sadam? Is Syria better off now without Bashar? Is Libya better off now without Gadafi?
I don’t like any of those previous leaders, but every single case the country was worse off after. The same will be true of Iran.
Syria is definetly better off without Bashar
You think it’s better off in the hands of a former Isis guy where they’re murdering Druze and other ethnic minorities while Israel has basically free reign to bomb, displace, and take land? It hasn’t become more stable after the fall brother.
I’ve been suckered into this by knowing Iranians who don’t want to live under the Mullahs any more.
Who told you? mullahs still enjoy significant support
mullahs still enjoy significant support
Who told you?
Family of ex partner still living Iran.
These “protests” are a CIA Mossad collaboration. Down vote me all you want but it’s true.
Former Intelligence operatives like Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern have been clear about this as have ex military like Scott Ritter.
The protests were engineered to coincide with short selling of the Iranian Rial by Israeli and Western intelligence to create chaos in the country which Starlink enabled operatives could exploit.
Had the Iranian government not crushed this insurrection, Trump would have begin bombing last week on the expectation.that Iran is a House of Cards ™
Edit: to anyone who can see whats going on. Now is a perfect opportunity to identify friends/colleagues who are captured by neocon/Zionist propaganda.
Yeah sure… I suppose you have proof of that? Or did you just follow a script/prompt?
Mossad literally tweeted it themselves.
Link?
Thank you for providing a reliable source.
So yeah, that tweet is quite the smoking gun about Mossad being now involved with the protest (which isn’t surprising, sabotage is part of any external intelligence toolset).
Now to say that everything is because of them/the CIA, and not because of the systemic corruption of the Iranian regime, I find it quite far fetched, and quite dishonest toward the Iranian manifestants who do have legitimate matters to protest about (and aren’t foreign agents).I’d tell Mossad to go fuck themselves, and let the Iranian people do their revolution however they see fit, but on the other hand, there is so much difference in the regime weaponry compared to the manifestants ones, I’d consider Mossad involvement, if it make the protest more likely to succeed, a necessary evil.
You think the fact that the CIA has conducted multiple color revolutions in the area, and in fact conducted a full regime change in Iran in living memory doesn’t lend credibility to the claim? How about the fact that Israel literally launched a war against Iran not 12 months ago, killing civilians, politicians, scientists, etc?
At this point, it strains credulity that any of y’all think that it’s NOT being organized by the US.
Just read about NED, color revolutions, the foreign policy of sanctions - particularly Kissinger’s thoughts. It’s not like history started on Dec 11th.
I’m not saying it is not credible, just that if a regime change is really what the Iranian people wish, having the support of an evil country doesn’t change their legitimate aspirations.
Unfortunately this is impossible to know with the current regime, so the only solution is to topple it and hope for the best. But ultimately the Iranian people have to be the ones to choose, not the mollahs, not the US, not Israel.
I guess Mike Pompeo tweeting about it on X was just a conspiracy theory.
A screenshot can’t be called a proof in this age. Give an archived link from a trustworthy source. Beside, I don’t see any date on that screenshot, which is usually seen on tweets, which may mean it was either doctered (well, it was, at least to add the red line), or straight false.
But let’s consider this as valid for a second. Israel and Iran are enemies, of course they have intelligence officers in their enemy population. That’s intelligence 101. The same is true the other way, there are probably multiple Iranian cells in Israel, the US, and most NATO countries. But to dismiss any unrest on that given fact is absurd. Sure Israel will capitalise on that because it is in their interest to see a change of regime in Iran, but they can’t trigger such uprising from just intelligence cells, or you’d see such protest about everywhere in the world.
The CIA also overthrew their President in 1953.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days
Its a bit rich that you want hard evidence but will mindlessly believe what mainstream media says about Iran when the MSM has been gaslighting us on the genocide in Gaza, the Al Qaeda takeover of Syria and the kidnapping of the President of Venezuela.
Classic CIA I’d say. Wasn’t the first time. Probably won’t be the last (unfortunately).
The kidnapping is a fact, and I personally condemn that act. On the other hand, considering his crackdown on the opposition, I don’t think he was democratically legitimate. I wish for the Venezuela people to be able to elect someone without being coerced.
The genocide is too, and I wish our leaders were ready to tell the US to eat shit (I’m an European), but truth is we cannot yet. It will probably take a good decade, but with Donnie and his goons in the US, we are kinda motivated to do so lately.
So yeah, the Hammas chosed the worst timing for their attack, and they fucked up their communication badly enough to make them easy target to Israel propaganda. In ant cases, they have to take their share of blame for what followed.So as you admit yourself having ne proof whatsoever except a vague feeling the CIA may once again be on the move due to having done destabilization work more than 60 years ago, a possibly doctored tweet, and some casual logical fallacies.
Where is the “trust me, bro” ?
OK, I respect your efforts to engage but you need to see the bigger picture here.
Iran is seen by Zionists as the head of the snake, the strategic backstop for supporting Palestinian liberation and resisting israel hegemony in the region and since Obama it has been the subject of
- JCPOA exit
- “maximum pressure”. The most sanctioned nation on Earth
- assassinations, sabotage
- coordinated protest narratives
- constant threat of military escalation, and of course
- a decapitation strike by Israel last June
Even before then Bush II labeled it part of the “axis of evil” and primed for regime change after Iraq.
Look into Israeli and US policy papers like the Oded Plan (1982) the “Clean Break” (1996) and the Brookings Institute Paper “Which Path to Persia?” in 2009. These deal with the dismemberment of states in the Middle East along sectarian lines to strengthen Israel. The last one deals.explicitly with pathways to regime change.in Iran.
If you dont understand the context you will only ever take these flashpoints at face value when they are being used to manufacture consent for wars of aggression.
That’s what I’ve learned since my first experience with 4x games. You didn’t make anything bad if you win
is this supposed to make me forget that the USA is currently occupied by a mercenary kidnapper force who has abducted tens of thousands or like… are we supposed to commiserate?
NVM didn’t see it was a UK source, are you guys occupied by kidnappers too?
Is that a quote from a courageous mossad agent?
tyrannical theocracy is bad, mmkay?
By the same logic, someone should bomb strike and kill thousands doing a regime change in the tyrannical theocracy of america, their totalitarian fascism affects me more personally than Iran’s
“logic.”
go revolt like the courageous ppl of Iran.
Unlike the propagandized people in the imperial core, i don’t endorse foreign bloody intervention of evil empires, even if america deserves it. ;)
They will do it to themselves anyway. The war machine folds inwards.
sure, Jan.
tyrannical theocracy is bad, mmkay?
By the same logic, someone should bomb strike and kill thousands doing a regime change in the tyrannical theocracy of america
America does appear to be waxing both tyrannical and theocratic; and people could be dying from the effects of being the ‘out’ group in that environment. You may have a strong point here.
I’m hoping for secession .
The US and company fomented the unrest to the best of their ability you can be sure. Coming on the heels of a bad faith war with Israel and the US that Iran was powerless to respond to, having to be humiliated and have nothing of substance to return with, these protests will be ruthlessly crushed as Iran rallies around the flag.
The protests are associated with the US. Even before the president talked about it. The US is doing all it can to exacerbate them too.
Celebrating this is naive, this is just more cause for war being manufactured so Israel can postpone elections longer, and associated bullshit in the US’ Israel First policy.
Yeah it’s better to have a legal code that allows women to be stoned. Obviously there’s no way anyone in that country could ever not want that. Must be the US
do you know these protests arent about women rights but economic condition? which is worse due to unfair sanctions by the fascist state of amrikkka?
Yeah it’s better to have a legal code that allows women to be stoned.
If it’s a binary choice, remind me what they have now that’s better.
You are so worried about human rights when it’s a US military target, funny how that works.
Because their government is bad, then it’s totally ok to go to war with them and try to get a different bad government. Our government has such a good track record setting up puppet regimes too, what in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Suddenly you know everything about me?
Do you truly believe I only care because it’s a “US military target”?
Because their government is bad, then it’s totally ok to go to war with them and try to get a different bad government
Never said that either. It’s also a statement I’m fundamentally against.
It’s also equally true that the government of Iran is oppressive.
Both of these can be true.
Sure sounded like you were endorsing military action, endorsing the worst people on the planet, and the most hated in the region, to bomb them some more, maybe assassinate some of their leaders. Because they are mean.
You think the US getting involved militarily is going to help?
You think the US getting involved militarily is going to help?
Never said that, nor does this article. Actually if you are done trying to make an argument I said just the opposite
I did go back over your comments, and you are full of shit. You are whipping up cause for war you lied to me.
What the hell are you talking about? Every comment I made is anti-intervetion.
I do hope the people of Iran overthrow their government. It’s terribly repressive.
I do not want to US or any outside power to get involved.
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Iran powerless even after the terrorist orgs they bankroll went wonky? Tell that to the unarmed civilians they shot in the fucking face.
You’re a disgusting anti-human ghoul, shilling for tyrants and murders.
Yes not giving the US and Israel cause for more Iran war is “disgusting,” great point. That is the quality of conversation I have come to expect from the mechanized troll legions and their carpet bombing of social media campaigns with diarrhea shit.
It works on some people, the weak minded.
Why do you consider rape, murder, and maiming as state policy as an acceptable way to terrorize the Iranian people for protesting?
Israel rapes kills and murders. You want to give them cause to wreck havoc in Iran.
Iran rapes, kills and murders.
Israel rapes, murders, shunts millions of others into ghettos and tries to final solution them all, while lashing out at their powerless neighbors with absolute military and intelligenc superiority, under false pretenses. Then schemes to keep lashing out after international pressure forced them to put their fhetto reprisals and bad neighborism back on simmer.
Which is where we are. Restarting bad faith war between an advanced military with unlimited funds and a rudimentary military with limited funds.
You are going to get those protesters hurt with your cassus belli here.
I dont want a war. I dont want military intervention. I just want these protestors to succeed. I know some of them. They should not have to live under the IRI anymore.
Because Isreal has acted evilly, that justifies the Iranian government shooting their citizens in the face for protesting?
Your logic would not fool a child. Because Iran bad let worse Israel and US people make it worse. War mongers do not make very good arguments, just repeat them aggressively, and are backed up by the government running legions of trolls and bots and using their corrupt influence to make it seem like those war mongering justifications are accepted by people.
No to Iran War 2. Spin that.
The only people shooting Iranians today is the Iranian government, your attempts to deflect aren’t working. Why is Iran murdering and maiming protesters justified to you?
I doubt it. The US has very little power to foment anything there. Mossad has assets in Iran but limited assets that they use sparingly. This was almost certainly an organic grassroots revolution. Now, I’d for sure agree that Mossad and the US are doing anything in their power to move things along.
They are doing a lot you can be sure. From sabotaging their economy every way they can, to funding any seperatists, paying informants and tools for things, smuggling and setting up clandestine internet/communication networks, tor onion beaming signals between devices and over power lines and othr such clandestine ways with encrpytion. To sponsoring agent provokareurs at demonstrations. To egging on security services and protests to violence.
All while exagerating the size and support of protests, minimizing the support and position of the regime, and exagerating the scale of crackdowns.
All while tricking security services into attacking their people and vice versa, from a position of near total compromise of electronics.
You are quite mistaken as to how deeply we are involved in fomenting unrest.
