Hello!! Some recent technical problems on my family’s NAS gave me a big scare and finally pushed me to figure out a way to back it all up. I’m asking here specifically because I really don’t know where to even starts because of the fact I’ve got just under 50 terabytes worth of data stored in a 7-disk RAID-5 and would prefer to keep it cheap. What are your suggestions?
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In the backup world, 50TB isn’t really a lot, and you’re not really ready to talk about tape systems or maintaining an always-on disk system. Also, HDD’s have been getting more expensive due to AI idiocy. But, cheapest is probably a second raid system, like 4x 20tb drives. Do the backup at home and then move the backup system off site and either keep it spinning, or make sure to spin up and test the individual drives every so often.
How much of that 50 terabytes is media downloaded from the Internet? Because the cheapest way would be to trust that it’s already backed up on the Internet and then use one of the usual services like B2 by Backblaze or Storagebox by Hetzner to back the rest of it up.
But… can we trust that we will have stuff available on the internet in the future?
All my TV shows and movies, I don’t bother. But my 150gb mp3 library I keep backed up because it’s much smaller and I know some of that stuff is not readily available online.
This is a good compromise. When I was tight on backup space, I just had a “backup” script that ran nightly and wrote all the media file names to a text file and pushed that to my backup.
It would mean tons of redownloading if my storage array failed, but it was preferable to spending hundreds of dollars I didn’t have on new hardware.
If you back up the modern day Arrs databases then it’s essentially the same thing and already built into the software that will redownload them for you. That’s my solution. I backup my backups of those, of my home assistant, my Immich library, my Nextcloud, etc… Pirated media is, for the most part, out there backed up on several places already.
This is what I do - well, I back up there entire container. But functionally the same.
There’s only a few pieces of media that I have backed up manually due to their rarity, but even those I don’t really care about.
Yeah, if 90% of that is movies/shows, then you really don’t need a backup of that as you can always re-download it. Then you have a 5TB backup problem which is much cheaper to solve.
Because the cheapest way would be to trust that it’s already backed up on the Internet
That’s a shit load of downloading. LOL wow!
I have 45TB of data and the majority of that is definitely downloaded media. They call us data hoarders for a reason.
Oh sure I understand data hoarding. I was just thinking, to restore 50 tb from the internet is going to take more than a fortnight.
It’s literally downloading the same amount of data you would be backing up, and you won’t be charged hourly for downloading it from the internet as opposed to a large storage service.
Sort your data into stuff you absolutely need to keep (personal files and such) and stuff you’d be okay with losing (less important files, device backups, downloads you can redownload, etc). Then only back up the former. As for backup medium, ServerPartDeals often has some pretty good deals on storage; they were selling refurbished 12TB drives for $80 a pop a while back.
Backblaze personal is about the cheapest I know of: $99 per year unlimited. Caveats would be that the drives have to be physically connected to the computer doing the backup. Additionally, should you ever need to restore the backup, the best way would be to buy a 10 tb drive from Backblaze, restore the data, then send the drive back for a full refund x 5. Restoring 50 tb online would be excruciating.
I’m currently backing up my NAS to Backblaze Personal by mounting the drives using Dokany. They appear as local drives and the Backblaze client accepts them for backup.
That’s worth a bookmark. Thanks for the share.
My suggestion: Buy 3x 28TB drives. Mirror the data to them. Then move them off site.
The off-site location could either be a family member’s home where you can then sync to the drives over the internet. Or in a PO box nearby that you retrieve them from time to time to re-sync the data.
Gee, that’s a lot of homework.
Cold storage solutions would be cheapest if you don’t need to access it often, if you do then Backblaze b2.
Lastly you could do your own backup (drives sitting at a friends of family’s place?)
The cheapest medium is tape. It is by far the lowest price per terabyte. The tradeoff is that the drives are pricey, even the used ones, and it’s a huge pain to read the data back out (but in a recovery scenario, that’s tolerable).
First: there is no cheap way to back this amount of data up. AWS Glacier would be about $200/mo, PLUS bandwidth transfer charges, which would be something like $500. R2 would be about $750/mo, no transfer charges. So assume that most companies with some sort of whacky, competing product would be billed by either of these companies with you as a consumer, and you can figure out how this is the baseline of what you’ll be getting charged from them.
50TB of what? If it’s just readily available stuff you can download again, skip backing that up. Only keep personal effects, and see how much you can reduce this number by.
Bb would be ~300$/month for 50tb
AWS Glacier would be about $200/mo, PLUS bandwidth transfer charges, which would be something like $500. R2 would be about $750/mo
50TB on a Hetzner storage box would be $116/month, with unlimited traffic. It’d have to be split across three storage boxes though, since 20TB is the max per box. 10TB is $24/month and 20TB is $46/month.
They’re only available in Germany and Finland, but data transfer from elsewhere in the world would still be faster than AWS Glacier.
Another option with Herzner is a dedicated server. Unfortunately the max storage they let you add is 2 x 22TB SATA HDDs, which would only let you store 22TB of stuff (assuming RAID1), for over double the cost of a 20TB storage box.
You can have more than 2x 22tb, the SX line is full of storage servers!
SX65 2x 1TB nvme 4x 22tb (~104€ 0%VAT) SX135 2x 2tb nvme 8x 22tb (~204€ 0%VAT) SX295 2x 8tb nvme 14x 22tb (~384 0%VAT)
If you manually add the disks to configurations like AX-line, there is a limit, that may be bypassed if you contact hetzners support, but that’d be expensive compared to the SX line I reckon.
Also, Hetzner’s server auction has quite affordable 4x 16tb servers, starting from 63€ 0%VAT, that’d be pretty affordable RAID1- solution, ~1€ per TB/month.
Unlimited traffic on all of the above, and a sidenote: SX line servers have one-off setup fees, server auction has no setup fees.
