• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlOP
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    The term “tankie” originates from British psuedo-communists who supported the USSR using tanks against the Hungarian resistance, notably civilians, to impose their authoritarian and colonial rule upon them.

    My comment already debunked this, so I’ll simply restate that you are defending literal Nazis jailed during and after World War II, and those who enabled them, simply because they opposed socialism.

    The USSR was never a country that embodied any core principles of Marxism, nor did it ever seek to after Stalin took power.

    False. The USSR was the first consolidated, multinational socialist state in history. Marxism was studied in the Academy of Sciences, the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and other Marxists were pondered and debated, studied and practiced. Public ownership was the principle aspect of the economy, production was oriented around satisfying the needs of the people, and the working classes were in charge of the state. Syzmanski’s Is the Red Flag Flying? is a fantastic overview of the soviet union’s political economy.

    The USSR was an authoritarian state-capitalist shithole that practiced the same measure of imperialism as the West, not to counter the West, but to consolidate power for its leadership.

    The USSR was socialist, as I already stated, public ownership was the principle aspect of the economy, production was oriented around satisfying the needs of the people, and the working classes were in charge of the state. State capitalism refers to countries where private ownership is the principle aspect and the bourgeoisie in charge of the state, like Singapore, the Republic of Korea, and the US Empire. The USSR was not imperialist either, it was not dominated by a financial oligarchy nor did it have any colonies or neo-colonies to extract from. It was a multi-national federation.

    The modern use of “tankie” when used accurately, portrays exactly what they are. Fake communists who embrace the same horrors of authoritarianism and imperialism of the West, so long as it doesn’t come from the West.

    This is what anti-communists always do. They simply equate socialism with capitalism and imperialism at a rhetorical level, without backing up anything they have to say to support this. The fact is, socialism in real life brought dramatic improvements in the lives of the working classes. In Russia alone, life expectancies doubled, literacy rates multiplied by 3-5 times to full literacy, the economy and state were democratized, real wages dramatically rose while working hours fell, equality of the sexes rose dramatically, and for the first time in history a country went from a semi-feudal backwater to space in the span of half a century. Anti-communists like yourself cannot grapple with reality, and so must restrain yourselves to arguments purely in the ideal realm.

    The victim blaming of the Hungarian resistance is just the cherry on top. I could go on and on about the major suppression and oppression of Jewish people under the USSR, especially under Stalin, but as you said you’re a self identified tankie. And I don’t expect a tankie who’s posting tired old Kremlin propaganda as if it holds any merit to listen to the actual historical and current facts on the matter.

    I will not call putting down a fascist counter-revolution “victim blaming.” The Nazis were evil, and lynching Jews and communists is evil. You cannot go on and on about “suppression and oppression of Jewish people under the USSR, especially under Stalin” because the USSR was vehemontly against anti-semitism, punishing anti-semitism with up to the death penalty. Nazis even spread lies about “Judeo-Bolshevism” because of the USSR’s opposition to anti-semitism. I’m posting modern analysis that is consensus among communists in the modern day, while you’ve provided nothing but your word.

    P.S. Your justification of the atrocities committed against the Hungarian resistance is giving the same exact energy as the IDF’s propaganda to justify their genocide in Palestine.

    No, it isn’t, because Israal is a fascist settler-colony committing genocide on Palestinians while the Hungarian counter-revolution was a western-backed pro-fascist movement.