We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with. That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm. (Don’t stretch this to mean I don’t work with people I don’t agree with 100% on everything, how and when you let people into your life can be appropriate for the situation - maybe I’ll show up to another groups event to help them with labour but won’t invite them to join in work I know they will just argue about for example).
The collective is what matters! It’s the whole point of all of it!
You can’t do collective action independently. It doesn’t work that way. A million people marching separately is just a million people going for a walk
You have to have a group. It doesn’t need hierarchy or organization, but it does need an immune system. You need bad actors to fall in line or be expelled. You all have to point in the same direction, even if you’d rather be a little more to one side or another
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with.
We absolutely do not have the collective power at scale at the moment to see things like Catalonia and Ukraine happen, i.e. anarchism at large scales. I did not mean to suggest that anarchists are individually powerless or even have no collective power. My point was really to comment that the effectiveness of early 19th century anarchism was due to both good principles and collective power. At least the way I read it, the meme seems to imply that modern anarchists are ineffective because they are crybabies, a take which I resent because it conflates anarchists correctly being more sensitive to bigotry against marginalized groups than anarchists of the past with anarchists being crybabies, while neglecting the simple fact that anarchism as an movement is more fringe today than it used to be.
That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm.
Okay but what if the person you choose not to associate with absolutely refuses to leave your otherwise freely associated group alone? Eventually, you escort them out as a last resort because that person is violating everyone else’s freedom to dissociate from them.
Okay but what if the person you choose not to associate with absolutely refuses to leave your otherwise freely associated group alone? Eventually, you escort them out as a last resort because that person is violating everyone else’s freedom to dissociate from them.
This won’t happen on a message board if everyone blocks someone so it isn’t really the same thing.
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with. That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm. (Don’t stretch this to mean I don’t work with people I don’t agree with 100% on everything, how and when you let people into your life can be appropriate for the situation - maybe I’ll show up to another groups event to help them with labour but won’t invite them to join in work I know they will just argue about for example).
The appeal to hierarchy is the joke here.
That’s individualistic bullshit.
The collective is what matters! It’s the whole point of all of it!
You can’t do collective action independently. It doesn’t work that way. A million people marching separately is just a million people going for a walk
You have to have a group. It doesn’t need hierarchy or organization, but it does need an immune system. You need bad actors to fall in line or be expelled. You all have to point in the same direction, even if you’d rather be a little more to one side or another
I don’t know if you read what I wrote but okay
We absolutely do not have the collective power at scale at the moment to see things like Catalonia and Ukraine happen, i.e. anarchism at large scales. I did not mean to suggest that anarchists are individually powerless or even have no collective power. My point was really to comment that the effectiveness of early 19th century anarchism was due to both good principles and collective power. At least the way I read it, the meme seems to imply that modern anarchists are ineffective because they are crybabies, a take which I resent because it conflates anarchists correctly being more sensitive to bigotry against marginalized groups than anarchists of the past with anarchists being crybabies, while neglecting the simple fact that anarchism as an movement is more fringe today than it used to be.
Okay but what if the person you choose not to associate with absolutely refuses to leave your otherwise freely associated group alone? Eventually, you escort them out as a last resort because that person is violating everyone else’s freedom to dissociate from them.
This won’t happen on a message board if everyone blocks someone so it isn’t really the same thing.