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Wait, Jai as in Jonathan Blow’s long-promised programming language? Did he finally release something after all these years? I assumed that would remain vaporware for eternity.
At one point the user linked to a rust-lang forum thread from 2016-2019 as evidence that Jai has “some of the tools to make the code language agnostic” or something like that. The thread started with a discussion of array-of-struct vs struct-of-array data layouts, which of course has nothing to do with making code “language agnostic.” The user also mentioned the coding influencer lunduke multiple times. So I think they are simply misinformed on a lot of points, and I doubt they’re in the closed beta for Jai.
(I read some of the comments simply because I had the same question you did. And, as it happens, the last post in the forum thread I mentioned was written by me, which was a funny surprise.)
AFAIK, it’s still in closed beta.
Disclaimer: Below is my weird effort to step in the shoes of an insecure person who attacks change and holds on to their ways as a means to maintain their appearance of superiority:
The rust hate of this flavour feels more like its about shitting on “the left” and progressive ideas than about any kind of programming language intricacies.
My reason for saying this is the reference to Lunduke, and then in an issue tracker where it is very easy and painfully obvious that its a dependency mismatch due to updates talking about “culture” as if breakages like this don’t happen daily.
Rust is a community grown language that is inclusive. Which seems to irk conservatives who hate any kind of inclusivity or changing what’s cool and hip. C programming seems to be the unfortunate oasis that is corrupted and repurposed for enforcing delusions of grandeur and superiority complexes.
Rust is the first popular answer to memory problems in C which the supposed “elite hacker 10x” privileged types were using as a yard stick to “other” supposedly “mediocre” engineers. Any yard stick can be used to beat people they don’t consider in their in-group.
You’re spot on. The same people complain endlessly about Rust being used in the Linux kernel, even though the actual experts are happy with it. It’s just culture war bullshit.
I didn’t know how much of a change Lunduke had had until recently, when I watched a video by Nicco. I used to watch his Linux Sucks videos 4-5 years ago, and he genuinely seemed like a chill dude.
At this point the people complaining about Rust at every opportunity have become more annoying than the “rewrite it in Rust” people ever were
Relevant XKCD : https://xkcd.com/1220/
This, but the first line should’ve fallen way down somewhere in the middle
Even in the original comic, that would have been appropriate, I think.
There’s always one.
“Chatgpt, how can I turn this into another reason to complain about rust?”
I am used to the uninformed complaining about Rust but suggesting JAI of all things as an alternative is new.
Maybe that was a joke 🤔
Do it. DO IT
Loooolll! I love them raising a stink about forking I’m another language. Go for it! Nobody cares and I’m sure it’ll reach feature parity by the time paru is updated. 🙄 And then mentioning Lunduke saying something negative about Rust. Isn’t he some wacko conspiracy/Linux YouTuber? That all made for a good laugh.
Anyway, I really like Paru, but I’ve switched back to yay until they get a fix. Really not a big deal.
The best part is that it shows that they don’t have a clue. If you are “forking” a project to change it language is not a fork is a rewrite. It would be one thing if they were adding rust to an already existing project, but as far as I can tell the project is full rust from the beginning.
But they can’t say “I’m going to rewrite this in that other language” because that’s the thing they hate about rust, so if they said that it would be too obvious that they’re full of shit.
The commenter must believe forks are magic.
and like half the [rust] devs left for Crab.
Crablang is a joke fork to make fun of a trademark screw up by the rust foundation.
Why no ones seems to remind this person that they are using a GPL V3 software? Like they say “you broke my stuff you should have fixed it within a day” while in the same time the license state (scream?) all over the place :
- Disclaimer of Warranty.
THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.
What part about no warranty do they not understand?
This. There is nothing worse than open source users feeling entitled to anything.
I am glad I’m on Fedora’s package repos. Not that this can’t happen on Fedora, but it is less likely than with AUR. I ran Arch for a bit but got tired with updates breaking things. I’m just not the tinkerer I was anymore.
A bunch of clowns.
I didn’t know that clown school taught programming.
Well, apparently they did not teach programming, though.
Now hold on. That is just unnecessarily mean to clowns 🤡
