There was (and still somewhat is) a big uproar about auto tune usage in music. But guess what? You haven’t heard a song NOT using it since at least 1998. Unless youre friends with every sound engineer out there and can ask them specifically if an artist did or did not use it (unrealistic).
The same will happen with ai. People wont notice, and it will go on to be the norm, with a very small pocket of purists.
Autotune is not driving up electricity costs for everyone whether they use it or not. AI is.
American households have seen their electricity bills rise 30% since 2021. This is contributing heavily to rising cost-of-living concerns across the country. At the center of these price hikes is the AI revolution, and the sector’s projected expansion means the increased costs are unlikely to level off any time soon.
The AI data centers sector, hungry for power, which accounts for much of the increased energy demand, is projected to undergo double-digit annual growth through the end of the decade. This far outpaces what the existing electrical grid and its operators are prepared to manage. Consumers are finding themselves footing the bill for the excess strain on the system. A study published by Carnegie Mellon University and North Carolina State University predicted an increase in household energy costs of 8 percent nationally by 2030, with up to 25 percent increases in select regional markets.
At some point, people will get sick of this AI nonsense and stop allowing the data centers in their communities.
Most proponents argue that the grid needs to be updated anyways, and more efficient power generation is being developed, and also the fact that 1 gaming pc uses many many times the energy of a prompt.
Everything you just said could have been used to scare people about electricity. Or the internet.
I dont agree they’ll get sick of it, sadly. WE hate it because we know better, but normal everyday people absolutely love it and are asking grok what to eat for their next meal and what shoes to buy. Its in the zeitgeist and people want it constantly.
People are completely used to autotune in music now
I’m not.
So youre absolutely sure the artists you listen to arent using any form of pitch correction?
Are they all recording directly to 24 track 2" tape and then cut to vinyl directly as well? Because thats the only way you can be certain (thats negating an outboard vocal tuner, which could be in the signal chain).
The point here is, you have no idea. Just like many will have no idea they are listening to machine generated music and it wont be given a second thought. Its just kind of gross to me.
I guess I can never be 100% sure, but why would my favorite punk band who can’t even tune a guitar (or maybe they’re doing that on purpose) use autotune? To untune their singing?
And it’s not just Punk, there are many ways of singing that defeat the purpose of autotune.
And your weird gatekeeping with analog tape and vinyl has nothing to do with anything here.
Its used in punk bands as well. i can assure you. Even if its home-recorded.
Wasn’t gatekeeping at all. Merely stating that that is the only way you truly know the music is completely authentic (if you care about that, most dont).
i don’t think so. autotune does not make a bad singer good or otherwise generate new content from existing material. every artist uses a variant of autotune, but it is an editing tool, not a replacement for skill.
Autotune makes a good singer bad
Pitch correction totally is a replacement for the specific skill of singing on key, though. While it’s not the only skill that goes into singing, it’s one that society used to admire in a good singer. Pitch correction also removes many small deviations in pitch that may have been appreciated by listeners as part of the artist’s performance. Just because everyone’s doing it now doesn’t mean something subtle and real hasn’t been lost.
autotune does not make a bad singer good
This is precisely what autotune DOES. You’re confusing the creative usage of autotune to create a specific sound, like what T-Pain (an actually great signer) popularized. But autotune wasn’t created for that, it was specifically created for correcting signers who can’t keep a key.
…yes, i know what Melodyne is thanks lol. it still cannot do that. it will be incredibly bad sounding and obvious if the singer isn’t able to sing on key consistently enough and the errors aren’t minimal.
With the amount of editing possible, I have to say thats inaccurate. You can take a mostly crap singer and make them unbelievably good.
i’m sorry but i am a musician and know producers and this doesn’t pass the smell test. what you think of as crap may be decent lol.
That may be, im pretty forgiving of most singers really because it is hard. I see why they use the tools. But there is a MASSIVE amount of editing in your average song today.
You still need to actually be a decent singer to not make autotuning sound terrible. Also, big singers will have audio editors to clean up issues too. Partial use of generative AI will require the presence of basic skills to make everything work.
I don’t think the same can happen with fully AI generated music. Unless it is stated immediately that they are doing it, people are eventually gonna find out that the artist is not actually singing and find it a scam. If they don’t show themself in social media, tours, and interviews to hide this element as much as possible they are most likely going to remain niche.
Right, thats what im saying. Its already edited to death now, so the change to ai music won’t even be large, because everything is already quantized and pitch matched.
Its just a depressing dystopian future that the majority of humans will be listening to and enjoying music made by billionaires with data centers.
No matter how good your singing is. Autotune makes your music completely trash
You haven’t heard a song NOT using it since at least 1998.
You and I might be listening to very different kinds of music.
The general public is a lot bigger than niche lemmy interests though, is what im saying.
No band I listen to uses autotune lmao
Yeah, TIL I am not people.
I am not used to autotune
You’re probably thinking of pitch correction, not auto-tune.
You haven’t heard a song NOT using it since at least 1998.
I have a very hard time believing that, unless of course sound engineers have been doing “manual-tune” for ages and ages (see below). Regardless, loads of singers who perform in front of others clearly have the ability to sing a song in a variety of ways depending on mood, venue, audience, occasion, etc. In short-- good singers REALLY ARE that talented, generally with excellent pitch, and don’t need assistance in something as basic as singing notes close enough to pitch-perfect without the need to be absolutely perfect.
Just look at how improv singers can do so well, or people performing in front of judges, or opera and opera-style singers performing in concert halls, like Charlotte Church.
I would guess the one argument of yours that holds some water is with flawed singers who are otherwise good, but have chronic problems hitting close-enough pitch, or really good singers trying to perform songs slightly outside of their range. Stuff like that…
ai music, compared to autotune, is completely soulless.
I cant put my finger on it or articulate why I feel this way, but hearing an ai song feels absolutely disgusting…
If by “music” you mean the shitty reggaeton, yeah, you’re right.
When it comes to music, all I care is whether it sounds good or not. Same applies to AI generated content: if it’s better than human made content then I want that.
I can see this from that standpoint but I could never do that myself.
Kind of like if I liked an artist and it was proved they were a serial rapist. It would be very hard for me to listen to them again.
