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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago

Waiting For the Fall

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Waiting For the Fall

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • marcuse1w@lemmy.ml
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    What do you hope comes after it ?

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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      Pure chaos.

      • WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        No, this is Patrick

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

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        You can have cooperatives right now.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can’t do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.

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            Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don’t bother investing in coops. You’ve obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.

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                No I haven’t.

                But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

                Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don’t issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.

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        No ofense but…

        LoL.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          Laugh while you can.

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            Ok

    • nevial@discuss.tchncs.de
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      Winter

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      Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.

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    Tag yourself, I’m “The”

    • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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      “of” the Bagel Donut 🤤

    • dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works
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      I guess “Capitalism” (image) is akin to my life.

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    In Europe it’s the Autumn of Capitalism

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      Lmao we’re still as capitalist as ever. Americans have a skewed sense of what capitalism implies due to your super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

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        super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

        Sooo… just bog-standard capitalism, then?

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          Case in point

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Unfortunately, it might also be the spring of fascism there.

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        People who downvoted you clearly aren’t paying attention to what’s happening in Italy and Germany to a lesser extent

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          As a German, I agree

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    and Communism

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    Deflation would actually make capitalism somewhat ok. It would stop people from buying useless shit and automatically reward the poor who can save a little but don’t know how to invest. That’s why I Bitcoin

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      deleted by creator

      • Mubelotix@jlai.lu
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        The wealthy are already rewarded today. We measure wealth in dollar equivalent but wealthy people don’t own the currency, they own almost everything in stocks and real estate

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          deleted by creator

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            It wouldn’t for the rich but the poor would benefit too

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          deleted by creator

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        Wealth inequality went bonkers after we switched from deflationary to inflationary

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          deleted by creator

          • explodicle@local106.com
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            It’s why we moved to a credit-based economy.

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      Bitcoin doesn’t make it OK to get paid just for owning something, it’s just less capitalist than dollars. Miner profits tend towards zero with difficulty adjustment, and Bitcoin doesn’t pay to stake holders at all.

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        How is this not ok to reward those who don’t spend? If we are going to stop climate change we need to stop consuming shit as much as possible

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          I think in this case the distinction between getting a reward and getting paid is important. Bitcoin just appreciates in value with the rest of the economy - you don’t get paid a higher percentage of all bitcoins from saving them - like you do from staking, or holding dollar bonds.

          My criticism here is against capitalism, not against Bitcoin. Bitcoin’s best feature is that it minimizes profits, and inequality caused by the Cantillon effect.

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