• fox2263@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Thank you. Sometimes it feels like shouting into the wind!

      But yea, two things can indeed be true.

      When your country is under invasion and you have a legally mandated conscription … of course people will be scared and try to evade it.

      But they try and hand wave over the fact that Russia also does it and much worse, especially when they don’t need to because they’re fighting an offensive war (badly).

      America had the draft and so did Britain. Was that decried as abhorrent?

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        21 hours ago

        Two things can indeed be true. Like Russia invading Ukraine and Russia defending itself from NATO expansion in the bigger picture.

        Or like the fact that Ukrainian people are the biggest victim of this war and Ukrainian government is a Yankee proxy that caused this war.

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          19 hours ago

          Ah the NATO expansion argument.

          And yea Ukrainians are suffering, from Russia, who didn’t need to invade and genocide them.

          Ifs, buts and what about

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            10 hours ago

            Genocide lmao. Y’all need to shut the fuck up with that.

            Despite Ukraine’s best efforts, civilian casualties in this war have been remarkably low compared to other conflicts and ESPECIALLY compared to any conflict the US has been involved in so do shut up and unclutch those pearls if you’d be so kind.

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              39 minutes ago

              Civilian casualties have been low 😆y’all need to shut the fuck up with that.

              Do you think flattened villages, towns, cities in the first year had no casualties? That the massive missile and drone attacks each night yield no deaths? I mean they’re low now, almost four years in and laughably ineffective but some do get through and kill random civilians.

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                The numbers published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights: 14,383 killed and 37,541 injured since 2022. The true numbers are probably higher, but this isn’t Gaza.

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                  4 minutes ago

                  I’m not saying it is Gaza. No one is. I’m saying they’re doing “Gaza-like” things. A key difference is that Israel essentially shoots Palestinians on sights and have a blatant disregard to human rights and human life.

                  That’s not to say that Russia is a white knight in comparison.